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		<title>By: G.C.Pandey</title>
		<link>http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2007/11/19/lpg-vs-petrol/#comment-1678</link>
		<dc:creator>G.C.Pandey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please send yr suggestion for using cooking LPG instead of Petrol in my maruti wagon r lxi. Also tell it will better option.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2007/11/19/lpg-vs-petrol/#comment-1676</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys good reading here I purchased a 60th anniversary dual fuel Holden commodore and what can i say $8.00 to do 100k's on lpg yet petrol $12 or $13 I see the savings I brought the car and hoolden charged $2400 for the gas conversen which was fitted by HSV in Melbourne then was able to claim the $2000 rebate federal then $1000 state rebate so made $600. Good score I know the best is driving it around town on lpg its about 14-15litres per 100 k's but on the open road about 9-10litres. Petrol around town about 11-12 litres per 100'ks and open road around the same as lpg 9-10 litres so there are some big savings there is also the option availble where you dont even run the car on fue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys good reading here I purchased a 60th anniversary dual fuel Holden commodore and what can i say $8.00 to do 100k&#8217;s on lpg yet petrol $12 or $13 I see the savings I brought the car and hoolden charged $2400 for the gas conversen which was fitted by HSV in Melbourne then was able to claim the $2000 rebate federal then $1000 state rebate so made $600. Good score I know the best is driving it around town on lpg its about 14-15litres per 100 k&#8217;s but on the open road about 9-10litres. Petrol around town about 11-12 litres per 100&#8242;ks and open road around the same as lpg 9-10 litres so there are some big savings there is also the option availble where you dont even run the car on fue</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2007/11/19/lpg-vs-petrol/#comment-1635</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first LPG car was purchased in 1988, a 2nd hand XC Falcon ($4000) that took our family of six (I had a seat for one of the kids fitted between the two front seats) to holidays in SA, VIC and QLD until I got a company car in 1993.  I next had an LPG Nissan Patrol in 2000 and last year traded it on a new Toyota Hi-Ace with LPG.  I'm just about to get a second car (Toyota Tarago) on LPG.  The only downside in using LPG for the last 20years has been the slow rollout of LPG service stations in NSW.   Unlike the unfortunate person in the previous blog, I haven't had any mechanical issues with my vehicles and I predict that I have done over 500,000kms using LPG.  FYI, when I first started using LPG in '88 it was 30c. per litre in Sydney and 22c. per litre in Melbourne!   Victoria was way ahead of NSW in LPG usage in the eighties.  Modern LPG systems use gas injection similar to fuel injection and the Hi-Ace and Tarago start on ULP and automatically change over when the engine has run for approximately 2 minutes.  They tell me that this helps the engine to start and run smoothly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first LPG car was purchased in 1988, a 2nd hand XC Falcon ($4000) that took our family of six (I had a seat for one of the kids fitted between the two front seats) to holidays in SA, VIC and QLD until I got a company car in 1993.  I next had an LPG Nissan Patrol in 2000 and last year traded it on a new Toyota Hi-Ace with LPG.  I&#8217;m just about to get a second car (Toyota Tarago) on LPG.  The only downside in using LPG for the last 20years has been the slow rollout of LPG service stations in NSW.   Unlike the unfortunate person in the previous blog, I haven&#8217;t had any mechanical issues with my vehicles and I predict that I have done over 500,000kms using LPG.  FYI, when I first started using LPG in &#8216;88 it was 30c. per litre in Sydney and 22c. per litre in Melbourne!   Victoria was way ahead of NSW in LPG usage in the eighties.  Modern LPG systems use gas injection similar to fuel injection and the Hi-Ace and Tarago start on ULP and automatically change over when the engine has run for approximately 2 minutes.  They tell me that this helps the engine to start and run smoothly.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Simmonds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole Simmonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have a Nissan Pathfinder (2005) or later, don't convert to LPG!!!!  We went to a reputable LPG converter and as a consequence, our 3 year old car is deceased (with only 80,000 kms).   The engine has been destroyed as a result of the conversion.  

I first complained that it never felt right the day after I collected it but everyone said that was normal.  I took my car back several times to be checked but no problems were detected.  The catalytic converter had to replaced 2 weeks ago.  But that didn't fix the problems. 2 days later, I noticed smoke from my exhaust.  I hauled it back to the mechanic and as a consequence, was told that my engine was dead.  He is now claiming that Nissan Pathfinders are not particularly good for converting to gas, given the location of the catalytic converters.  It's a pity he didn't think of that before he did the $4,500 conversion.  My husband and I are furious with the mechanic and are hopeful of resolving the matter - given that he destroyed our engine with the conversion.   

So for anyone thinking of converting to LPG - think again!!!! Buy something economical instead - I know I will when this mess is sorted out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have a Nissan Pathfinder (2005) or later, don&#8217;t convert to LPG!!!!  We went to a reputable LPG converter and as a consequence, our 3 year old car is deceased (with only 80,000 kms).   The engine has been destroyed as a result of the conversion.  </p>
<p>I first complained that it never felt right the day after I collected it but everyone said that was normal.  I took my car back several times to be checked but no problems were detected.  The catalytic converter had to replaced 2 weeks ago.  But that didn&#8217;t fix the problems. 2 days later, I noticed smoke from my exhaust.  I hauled it back to the mechanic and as a consequence, was told that my engine was dead.  He is now claiming that Nissan Pathfinders are not particularly good for converting to gas, given the location of the catalytic converters.  It&#8217;s a pity he didn&#8217;t think of that before he did the $4,500 conversion.  My husband and I are furious with the mechanic and are hopeful of resolving the matter - given that he destroyed our engine with the conversion.   </p>
<p>So for anyone thinking of converting to LPG - think again!!!! Buy something economical instead - I know I will when this mess is sorted out.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting:
"#  commsir Says:
September 1st, 2008 at 12:48 pm

Isnt it time this foolish $2000 rebate for lpg was abolished. It was only introduced by the Howard government to be seen to be doing something about petrol prices.
Environmentally its a disaster. Paying the capital costs for people to convert to a much cheaper fuel? We all know the effect of making fuel cheaper: people will continue to drive larger vehicles and/or drive the same and/or larger distances. One thing for sure it is not going to encourage anyone to drive less. As has been mentioned previously in the thread, the small reduction in CO2 emissions per km travelled will be meaningless if the total amount of fuel burnt increases.
Really, giving people $2K to convert their new territory to make it cheaper to create more emissions, hardly supporting the aussie battler is it."

Regarding the above mentioned comment;
Remember, people come first. What makes Australia such a great country to live in as opposed to Europe for example, is that the average person here can afford a car and enjoy the associated freedoms that goes with it.
If LPG is there to help preserve that freedom then it is a worty cause.</description>
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&#8220;#  commsir Says:<br />
September 1st, 2008 at 12:48 pm</p>
<p>Isnt it time this foolish $2000 rebate for lpg was abolished. It was only introduced by the Howard government to be seen to be doing something about petrol prices.<br />
Environmentally its a disaster. Paying the capital costs for people to convert to a much cheaper fuel? We all know the effect of making fuel cheaper: people will continue to drive larger vehicles and/or drive the same and/or larger distances. One thing for sure it is not going to encourage anyone to drive less. As has been mentioned previously in the thread, the small reduction in CO2 emissions per km travelled will be meaningless if the total amount of fuel burnt increases.<br />
Really, giving people $2K to convert their new territory to make it cheaper to create more emissions, hardly supporting the aussie battler is it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding the above mentioned comment;<br />
Remember, people come first. What makes Australia such a great country to live in as opposed to Europe for example, is that the average person here can afford a car and enjoy the associated freedoms that goes with it.<br />
If LPG is there to help preserve that freedom then it is a worty cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2007/11/19/lpg-vs-petrol/#comment-1604</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's great that David bought up diesel.  Particulates from diesel are known to cause cancer as well as lots of smog.  Newer vehicles have particulate filter, which addresses this issue, but they only represent a small number vehicles on the road at this stage.  On top of that, the Government tax on diesel is ridiculous.  The original concept for the diesel was the 'peoples engine' which would run on a wide range of basic fuels; unfortunately the new 'efficient' diesel engines are very fussy with their fuel :-(

If you want to talk about emission and LPG, why not look at the full story.  Yes, LPG emits less CO2 compared to an equivalent ULP vehicle, and 4% is significant.  All the press and industry talk about is CO2, however if take the time to look deeper there are other significant benefits.

LPG produces 80% less (yes that's 1/5) toxic emissions compares to a ULP vehicle.  It also produces way less particulate (yes ULP produces particulate - look at the black on the inside of your exhaust pipe!  I would argue that toxic and particulate emissions are also a significant part of the equation.

I just bought a new car, and favoured a diesel until I looked into it in detail - ended up buying LPG!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great that David bought up diesel.  Particulates from diesel are known to cause cancer as well as lots of smog.  Newer vehicles have particulate filter, which addresses this issue, but they only represent a small number vehicles on the road at this stage.  On top of that, the Government tax on diesel is ridiculous.  The original concept for the diesel was the &#8216;peoples engine&#8217; which would run on a wide range of basic fuels; unfortunately the new &#8216;efficient&#8217; diesel engines are very fussy with their fuel <img src='http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you want to talk about emission and LPG, why not look at the full story.  Yes, LPG emits less CO2 compared to an equivalent ULP vehicle, and 4% is significant.  All the press and industry talk about is CO2, however if take the time to look deeper there are other significant benefits.</p>
<p>LPG produces 80% less (yes that&#8217;s 1/5) toxic emissions compares to a ULP vehicle.  It also produces way less particulate (yes ULP produces particulate - look at the black on the inside of your exhaust pipe!  I would argue that toxic and particulate emissions are also a significant part of the equation.</p>
<p>I just bought a new car, and favoured a diesel until I looked into it in detail - ended up buying LPG!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My car: Mercedes 300d diesel. Noisy, slow, efficient.

After reading this thread and considering the:

-possibility of lower engine reliability/life
-Lower or close to the same engine power
-almost meaningless difference in emmisions (4%)
-no guarentee of future prices past 2015
-extra veichle weight
-enough said?

We already have electric cars and hybrids and they are better short and long term solutions for road transportaion.

Plus, why arnt you driving a diesel? Your car is a 4cyl/v6/v8 petrol/gas? Can you afford the luxury? So what your car is faster?

The diesels were popular in the last oil crisis, and their still here now as an answer to emissions, range, fuel consumption &#38; now power.

Until electrics, go to diesel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My car: Mercedes 300d diesel. Noisy, slow, efficient.</p>
<p>After reading this thread and considering the:</p>
<p>-possibility of lower engine reliability/life<br />
-Lower or close to the same engine power<br />
-almost meaningless difference in emmisions (4%)<br />
-no guarentee of future prices past 2015<br />
-extra veichle weight<br />
-enough said?</p>
<p>We already have electric cars and hybrids and they are better short and long term solutions for road transportaion.</p>
<p>Plus, why arnt you driving a diesel? Your car is a 4cyl/v6/v8 petrol/gas? Can you afford the luxury? So what your car is faster?</p>
<p>The diesels were popular in the last oil crisis, and their still here now as an answer to emissions, range, fuel consumption &amp; now power.</p>
<p>Until electrics, go to diesel.</p>
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		<title>By: commsir</title>
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		<dc:creator>commsir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isnt it time this foolish $2000 rebate for lpg was abolished.  It was only introduced by the Howard government to be seen to be doing something about petrol prices.
Environmentally its a disaster.  Paying the capital costs for people to convert to a much cheaper fuel?  We all know the effect of making fuel cheaper: people will continue to drive larger vehicles and/or drive the same and/or larger distances.  One thing for sure it is not going to encourage anyone to drive less.  As has been mentioned previously in the thread, the small reduction in CO2 emissions per km travelled will be meaningless if the total amount of fuel burnt increases.
Really, giving people $2K to convert their new territory to make it cheaper to create more emissions, hardly supporting the aussie battler is it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isnt it time this foolish $2000 rebate for lpg was abolished.  It was only introduced by the Howard government to be seen to be doing something about petrol prices.<br />
Environmentally its a disaster.  Paying the capital costs for people to convert to a much cheaper fuel?  We all know the effect of making fuel cheaper: people will continue to drive larger vehicles and/or drive the same and/or larger distances.  One thing for sure it is not going to encourage anyone to drive less.  As has been mentioned previously in the thread, the small reduction in CO2 emissions per km travelled will be meaningless if the total amount of fuel burnt increases.<br />
Really, giving people $2K to convert their new territory to make it cheaper to create more emissions, hardly supporting the aussie battler is it.</p>
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		<title>By: don pommer</title>
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		<dc:creator>don pommer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 2006 XT pulls a van , all up about 1500kg &#38; on gas it's a GAS! The only way to keep on travellin'...going up long inclines we switch to petrol; but otherwise it's theonly way to enjoy a long, cheap holiday with a caravan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 2006 XT pulls a van , all up about 1500kg &amp; on gas it&#8217;s a GAS! The only way to keep on travellin&#8217;&#8230;going up long inclines we switch to petrol; but otherwise it&#8217;s theonly way to enjoy a long, cheap holiday with a caravan.</p>
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		<title>By: will</title>
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		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any one can tell me if 2005 Holden VZ Commodore Executive  is suitable for LPG.

and what is the installation cost?

sos~~~~~ sos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any one can tell me if 2005 Holden VZ Commodore Executive  is suitable for LPG.</p>
<p>and what is the installation cost?</p>
<p>sos~~~~~ sos</p>
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