Comments on: Ethanol in petrol http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/ Road safety, road rules, fuels, car care and everyday driving - NRMA Motoring & Services Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:30:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ewan http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-8263 Ewan Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:28:41 +0000 http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-8263 I have a 1999 V6 Vienta (Camry) - A previous post mentions poor fuel quality from Wollies and I suspect I have the same issue with 7-11 fuel even with the normal ULP (I recall that some of these resellers import from Vietnam) . I have been buying ULP and gave up (due to crap performance) on the E10 ages ago. I'm now seeing erratic engine idleing (when the V6 is not under load...give it some juice and then pulls fine ...or at least masks the idleing issue) on hot'ish days 28 degrees plus. As the engine cools down (stop for an ice cream) or external air temp is low the mix seems to adjust corretly and idles fine. I'm going to try United again ULP (mobil), and note a previous comment about the current affair shows stopped testing for ethanol now that this is legistlated, but, I would like to see some random audits of what is "actually" in fuel so I think we are still be conned. My 5 cents worth that this is not worth the messing around with E10. Was not so long ago we went through the same transition from the old "Super" to ULP and here we ago again. I have a 1999 V6 Vienta (Camry) – A previous post mentions poor fuel quality from Wollies and I suspect I have the same issue with 7-11 fuel even with the normal ULP (I recall that some of these resellers import from Vietnam) . I have been buying ULP and gave up (due to crap performance) on the E10 ages ago. I’m now seeing erratic engine idleing (when the V6 is not under load…give it some juice and then pulls fine …or at least masks the idleing issue) on hot’ish days 28 degrees plus. As the engine cools down (stop for an ice cream) or external air temp is low the mix seems to adjust corretly and idles fine. I’m going to try United again ULP (mobil), and note a previous comment about the current affair shows stopped testing for ethanol now that this is legistlated, but, I would like to see some random audits of what is “actually” in fuel so I think we are still be conned. My 5 cents worth that this is not worth the messing around with E10. Was not so long ago we went through the same transition from the old “Super” to ULP and here we ago again.

]]> By: Harry Holzmann http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-8217 Harry Holzmann Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:16:55 +0000 http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-8217 We are a fuel injection speciliased workshop and see problems with our customers cars on a weekly basis and find that there is a lot of ignorance in the market place. We have used ethanol (E10) in the past in an effort to determine the benefits etc. and found that there was a general slight deterioration in engine behaviour and less KMs per tank full. One personal observation that I have made is that E10 used to be 95 octane on the bowser and ordinary ULP was 91 octane, but now that we have lost the ordinary ULP, the stated octane of the E10 is now 91 octane. Go figure? What octane is it really and do the fuel companies have a right to just put up anything they like. I would interpret the previous rating of 95 octane as possibly encouraging motorists to believe thay were buying a better product?? Someone is pulling the wool over our eyes??? As far as cleaning the air emmited from the exhausts, there is no doubt that ethanol does improve the environment. Our webb site "www.bmfi.com.au" has lots of usefull information that may help the ordinary motorist... We are a fuel injection speciliased workshop and see problems with our customers cars on a weekly basis and find that there is a lot of ignorance in the market place. We have used ethanol (E10) in the past in an effort to determine the benefits etc. and found that there was a general slight deterioration in engine behaviour and less KMs per tank full. One personal observation that I have made is that E10 used to be 95 octane on the bowser and ordinary ULP was 91 octane, but now that we have lost the ordinary ULP, the stated octane of the E10 is now 91 octane. Go figure? What octane is it really and do the fuel companies have a right to just put up anything they like. I would interpret the previous rating of 95 octane as possibly encouraging motorists to believe thay were buying a better product??
Someone is pulling the wool over our eyes???
As far as cleaning the air emmited from the exhausts, there is no doubt that ethanol does improve the environment.
Our webb site “www.bmfi.com.au” has lots of usefull information that may help the ordinary motorist…

]]> By: Brett http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-8143 Brett Sun, 15 Jan 2012 07:38:28 +0000 http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-8143 We currently have the choice to choose whether we buy fuel with or without Ethanol in it...... Look into the future (using the US as the benchmark) we will shortly have no choice but to purchase fuel with Ethanol, then we will all need to start using fuel additives to negate the negative effects of Ethanol on our engines. We currently have the choice to choose whether we buy fuel with or without Ethanol in it…… Look into the future (using the US as the benchmark) we will shortly have no choice but to purchase fuel with Ethanol, then we will all need to start using fuel additives to negate the negative effects of Ethanol on our engines.

]]> By: CHRIS http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7892 CHRIS Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:28:31 +0000 http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7892 greg the mechanic u r spot on i work in a workshop on sunshine coast and c similar problems and shane have a crack at comparing apples with apples not with oranges greg the mechanic u r spot on i work in a workshop on sunshine coast and c similar problems and shane have a crack at comparing apples with apples not with oranges

]]> By: Antonios http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7879 Antonios Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:56:15 +0000 http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7879 You increase the consumption of E10 over E10 not. So even if E10 was 5% consumption lets take 100ltr tank 90 ULP + 10 E10 = 5% consumption more 100 ULP = 3% Do the math for the enviroment its better but not for ur pocket You increase the consumption of E10 over E10 not.

So even if E10 was 5% consumption

lets take 100ltr tank

90 ULP + 10 E10 = 5% consumption more
100 ULP = 3%

Do the math for the enviroment its better but not for ur pocket

]]> By: Antonios http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7878 Antonios Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:47:18 +0000 http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7878 The ones that are starving are having 4-8 kids due to religion choice. And by using E10 i support less of those countries that produce oil to fund extremists. I know global warming idea is a scam to move away from oil, but i support that scam due to reason i cant mention here but u get my drift. The ones that are starving are having 4-8 kids due to religion choice.

And by using E10 i support less of those countries that produce oil to fund extremists.

I know global warming idea is a scam to move away from oil, but i support that scam due to reason i cant mention here but u get my drift.

]]> By: Antonios http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7877 Antonios Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:40:46 +0000 http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7877 Dont use E10 on scooters, its not Advised by any manufacture. It will ruin ur fuel lines cos its carby. Not also that but E10 runs hotter and scooters are aircooled which means ur overheating ur engine. Sooner or later the seals will give up. If u have a GY6 engine chinese scooter expect to break down after 4000kms (check forums). Premium 98 fuel is the only option for you, even though it will cause a little backfire due to unburned fuel, but you can change ur jet and airfilter and exhaust to avoid the bottleneck Dont use E10 on scooters, its not Advised by any manufacture. It will ruin ur fuel lines cos its carby. Not also that but E10 runs hotter and scooters are aircooled which means ur overheating ur engine. Sooner or later the seals will give up.
If u have a GY6 engine chinese scooter expect to break down after 4000kms (check forums).
Premium 98 fuel is the only option for you, even though it will cause a little backfire due to unburned fuel, but you can change ur jet and airfilter and exhaust to avoid the bottleneck

]]> By: Antonios http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7876 Antonios Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:22:10 +0000 http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7876 Wrong Wrong Wrong, Ethanol is created by Using left overs from making sugar/corn etc. And will soon be made from Rubbish. Food prices are going up due to world demand for it not because of ethanol. The only reason I support Ethanol is because we don't have to rely on the Middle East by 10% for oil and get involved in Endless wars, also the fact that some of the money funds extreme groups. If only every car was flex fuel 100% i would pay extra on food prices if what ur saying is true, as long as the middle east starves of money i am happy. Peace may never be with him Wrong Wrong Wrong, Ethanol is created by Using left overs from making sugar/corn etc. And will soon be made from Rubbish.

Food prices are going up due to world demand for it not because of ethanol.

The only reason I support Ethanol is because we don’t have to rely on the Middle East by 10% for oil and get involved in Endless wars, also the fact that some of the money funds extreme groups. If only every car was flex fuel 100% i would pay extra on food prices if what ur saying is true, as long as the middle east starves of money i am happy. Peace may never be with him

]]> By: Antonios http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7855 Antonios Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:54:10 +0000 http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7855 10% Less wars in the Middle East! Enviromentally friendly by not sending so many soldiers 10% Less wars in the Middle East! Enviromentally friendly by not sending so many soldiers

]]> By: Antonios http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7854 Antonios Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:52:34 +0000 http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2008/03/11/ethanol-in-petrol/#comment-7854 Europe? Umm no i , go to Greece every year and Czech every 2 years, never seen ethanol in any of those 2 nations. By Europe u mean the UK? Europe? Umm no i , go to Greece every year and Czech every 2 years, never seen ethanol in any of those 2 nations. By Europe u mean the UK?

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