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	<title>Comments on: A cashless Sydney Harbour Bridge</title>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All great comments and I love it that I&#039;m not alone, but who is listening??! The politicians we pay to do this job are certainly not.  

Still, I will say what I think:  we do not need tolls - we already pay taxes.
 
It&#039;s a ridiculous thing that one has to pay for a road, unlike in most other countries. The road network is typical infrastructure and even Ancient Roman or Persian Empire did not charge for using roads. Why are we being charged? Especially when a road commission is a very beneficial building project for employment and the economy, as everybody knows. I detest the idea that I need to plan ahead or jump though hoops in retrospect just because I used a road!! Such advanced things roads are, they are so special and rarely used, that one cannot help but know ahead of time their place in a daily plan. And one could say &#039;it&#039;s not all roads, only this and that road&#039;, but then what is the point of the road NETWORK if it is segmented to parts by special roads like the tunnel and the bridge? How can i feel &#039;free&#039; in this country of freedom when I cannot just drive wherever I want and have a simple way of contributing - ie. taxes?

To me the solution they introduced is an issue of time. Their solution is just another time sucking activity. I am really so sick of them! On top of the costs, it&#039;s the time. Pay insurance, pay rent, find a new washing machine every 4 years because it breaks, tax form, banking, dockets at the checkout because they overcharge (by mistake of course, but it&#039;s always more, never less price), do your own checkout at the supermarket, take care of your own pension (spend time controlling where your money is, spend time learning to be a financial consultant or trust a company who will fold and steal your money), paperwork in new jobs, paperwork with your credit cards, rebates, keeping up with the constant changes in health insurance and calling the insurer before seeing a dentist with the item numbers so you will know how much money you should take, getting a lease every 6 months, wasting time listening to music in call centres, going after your postal parcel delivery (during work hours) that is returned to the post office, etc - does it ever end??? It&#039;s especially bad when during any of these processes at least one mistake per transaction applies. And then it&#039;s your responsibility to call and correct it, again and again... I can understand the repairman who was on hold at a call centre for longer than he thought reasonable, and sent the bank or whatever it was a bill with his hourly fees... If government and companies can charge us fees, so can we!! It can be much more simple, look at some other countries, or look into the not so distant past - we could have a lot more free time available if things were simpler. What else are we alive for and work for, but to spend some quality time? 

So to me, the solution the state government has found is an issue with my time. I work 40 hours a week, and want to spend the rest with positive activities of life for which I work to keep alive. It&#039;s really too much now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All great comments and I love it that I&#8217;m not alone, but who is listening??! The politicians we pay to do this job are certainly not.  </p>
<p>Still, I will say what I think:  we do not need tolls &#8211; we already pay taxes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a ridiculous thing that one has to pay for a road, unlike in most other countries. The road network is typical infrastructure and even Ancient Roman or Persian Empire did not charge for using roads. Why are we being charged? Especially when a road commission is a very beneficial building project for employment and the economy, as everybody knows. I detest the idea that I need to plan ahead or jump though hoops in retrospect just because I used a road!! Such advanced things roads are, they are so special and rarely used, that one cannot help but know ahead of time their place in a daily plan. And one could say &#8216;it&#8217;s not all roads, only this and that road&#8217;, but then what is the point of the road NETWORK if it is segmented to parts by special roads like the tunnel and the bridge? How can i feel &#8216;free&#8217; in this country of freedom when I cannot just drive wherever I want and have a simple way of contributing &#8211; ie. taxes?</p>
<p>To me the solution they introduced is an issue of time. Their solution is just another time sucking activity. I am really so sick of them! On top of the costs, it&#8217;s the time. Pay insurance, pay rent, find a new washing machine every 4 years because it breaks, tax form, banking, dockets at the checkout because they overcharge (by mistake of course, but it&#8217;s always more, never less price), do your own checkout at the supermarket, take care of your own pension (spend time controlling where your money is, spend time learning to be a financial consultant or trust a company who will fold and steal your money), paperwork in new jobs, paperwork with your credit cards, rebates, keeping up with the constant changes in health insurance and calling the insurer before seeing a dentist with the item numbers so you will know how much money you should take, getting a lease every 6 months, wasting time listening to music in call centres, going after your postal parcel delivery (during work hours) that is returned to the post office, etc &#8211; does it ever end??? It&#8217;s especially bad when during any of these processes at least one mistake per transaction applies. And then it&#8217;s your responsibility to call and correct it, again and again&#8230; I can understand the repairman who was on hold at a call centre for longer than he thought reasonable, and sent the bank or whatever it was a bill with his hourly fees&#8230; If government and companies can charge us fees, so can we!! It can be much more simple, look at some other countries, or look into the not so distant past &#8211; we could have a lot more free time available if things were simpler. What else are we alive for and work for, but to spend some quality time? </p>
<p>So to me, the solution the state government has found is an issue with my time. I work 40 hours a week, and want to spend the rest with positive activities of life for which I work to keep alive. It&#8217;s really too much now.</p>
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		<title>By: max reich</title>
		<link>http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2009/01/13/a-cashless-sydney-harbour-bridge/#comment-3727</link>
		<dc:creator>max reich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an  age pensioner,living in the central coast,and visiting my daughter and granchildren by car about twice a year ,and the other times by public transport.I hate the Bridge now,and always take a long way around to avoid it.I do not intend to buy a TAG,and pay a deposit for it.I read all the comments and agree with most of them,but what is the NRMA doing about it ? Why they are  not representing their customers,and transmit all this information to the authorities,and express and voice their opinion in black and white? Who is looking after us ?Contact your MP,make them work!!
MAX REICH.13 June 2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an  age pensioner,living in the central coast,and visiting my daughter and granchildren by car about twice a year ,and the other times by public transport.I hate the Bridge now,and always take a long way around to avoid it.I do not intend to buy a TAG,and pay a deposit for it.I read all the comments and agree with most of them,but what is the NRMA doing about it ? Why they are  not representing their customers,and transmit all this information to the authorities,and express and voice their opinion in black and white? Who is looking after us ?Contact your MP,make them work!!<br />
MAX REICH.13 June 2010</p>
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		<title>By: Sabin</title>
		<link>http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2009/01/13/a-cashless-sydney-harbour-bridge/#comment-3720</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I passed Harbour Bridge this evening without having a pass/tag. I knew there was a way to pay the toll after trip, but never thought this would be that hard. Not everyone is tech gig. Some are not familiar with all those technology including websites. Too many questions to fill up to pay bloody $3 !!! (oh, other extras on top of it. Very unhappy) I have spent more than 1hour to know how to pay, where to pay, and the final payment process. 

I rather detour (I travelled from Mosman to Pyrmont) to Victoria rd which would take me another 10mins, but it&#039;s worthier than paying $3+$1.50+$.75 .

If I were a tourist visiting Sydney driving a hire car, I would get freaked out on Harbour bridge to make a 0.05sec decision of which lane to take. 2years ago, when I came to Sydney from Melbourne, I accidentally drove into Sydney Harbour tunnel, because for the first time user, it&#039;s really complicate, and you need to make at least 3decisions while driving 70km/h. 

This makes me not wanting to live in Sydney. Sad.. 
Can someone make a change? 
I like prepaid card idea, and wouldn&#039;t mind going to post office (like in Melb)
I understand we live in a fast paced world and a city, but not everyone is able to cope with that, or unable to follow every changes the government makes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I passed Harbour Bridge this evening without having a pass/tag. I knew there was a way to pay the toll after trip, but never thought this would be that hard. Not everyone is tech gig. Some are not familiar with all those technology including websites. Too many questions to fill up to pay bloody $3 !!! (oh, other extras on top of it. Very unhappy) I have spent more than 1hour to know how to pay, where to pay, and the final payment process. </p>
<p>I rather detour (I travelled from Mosman to Pyrmont) to Victoria rd which would take me another 10mins, but it&#8217;s worthier than paying $3+$1.50+$.75 .</p>
<p>If I were a tourist visiting Sydney driving a hire car, I would get freaked out on Harbour bridge to make a 0.05sec decision of which lane to take. 2years ago, when I came to Sydney from Melbourne, I accidentally drove into Sydney Harbour tunnel, because for the first time user, it&#8217;s really complicate, and you need to make at least 3decisions while driving 70km/h. </p>
<p>This makes me not wanting to live in Sydney. Sad..<br />
Can someone make a change?<br />
I like prepaid card idea, and wouldn&#8217;t mind going to post office (like in Melb)<br />
I understand we live in a fast paced world and a city, but not everyone is able to cope with that, or unable to follow every changes the government makes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2009/01/13/a-cashless-sydney-harbour-bridge/#comment-3501</link>
		<dc:creator>Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 04:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a foreign and first time travelor to Sydney, it is unfriendly and unfamilar system to use with big fine.  I don&#039;t visit Sydney again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a foreign and first time travelor to Sydney, it is unfriendly and unfamilar system to use with big fine.  I don&#8217;t visit Sydney again.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Verplak</title>
		<link>http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2009/01/13/a-cashless-sydney-harbour-bridge/#comment-3145</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Verplak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add...

I did register for a E-Pass within 24 hours, and the operator on the help line said it makes no difference what lane I used.

They charged the admin fee and now hope to collect the huge fine as well... from an age pensioner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add&#8230;</p>
<p>I did register for a E-Pass within 24 hours, and the operator on the help line said it makes no difference what lane I used.</p>
<p>They charged the admin fee and now hope to collect the huge fine as well&#8230; from an age pensioner.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Verplak</title>
		<link>http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2009/01/13/a-cashless-sydney-harbour-bridge/#comment-3144</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Verplak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another victim...

Visited Sydney January 18 after 6 years of absence. From the city went to Manly and on the way back got a surprise... no cash-booths. 

Unable to turn around, and pressured by other traffic, there was no time to think what the difference might be between Tag and Pass lanes. In a bit of panick (chanaging lanes) I ventured into a bus lane (not realising it), and got a fine in the mail... $253.00.

Welcome to Sydney!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another victim&#8230;</p>
<p>Visited Sydney January 18 after 6 years of absence. From the city went to Manly and on the way back got a surprise&#8230; no cash-booths. </p>
<p>Unable to turn around, and pressured by other traffic, there was no time to think what the difference might be between Tag and Pass lanes. In a bit of panick (chanaging lanes) I ventured into a bus lane (not realising it), and got a fine in the mail&#8230; $253.00.</p>
<p>Welcome to Sydney!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2009/01/13/a-cashless-sydney-harbour-bridge/#comment-3070</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long do we have to keep paying for using our bridge? 

1) We pay taxes 
2) Motorists have been paying for traveling over the bridge for 77 years now.....  and at increasingly higher fees! 
3) &quot;160,000 vehicles make the trip each day&quot; this number multiplied by the &quot;time of day tolling&quot; is around *half a million dollars* PER DAY !!! 

Now in Sydney we are at a stage where every reasonable road we travel on attracts an exorbitant fee. WE PAY TAXES! 
It is our Governments responsibility to use our money for these things, not to just keep funneling extra money out of us. I understand to need for upkeep, &amp; improvements.... but just how much money does it take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long do we have to keep paying for using our bridge? </p>
<p>1) We pay taxes<br />
2) Motorists have been paying for traveling over the bridge for 77 years now&#8230;..  and at increasingly higher fees!<br />
3) &#8220;160,000 vehicles make the trip each day&#8221; this number multiplied by the &#8220;time of day tolling&#8221; is around *half a million dollars* PER DAY !!! </p>
<p>Now in Sydney we are at a stage where every reasonable road we travel on attracts an exorbitant fee. WE PAY TAXES!<br />
It is our Governments responsibility to use our money for these things, not to just keep funneling extra money out of us. I understand to need for upkeep, &amp; improvements&#8230;. but just how much money does it take?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2009/01/13/a-cashless-sydney-harbour-bridge/#comment-2882</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can say how frustrated and angry I am.
Today I have sent almost two hours trying to get some information from the RTA about the toll on the Harbor Bridge.

If I lived in Sydney I would be so ashamed and embarrassed about the way you let your government and Harbor Bridge management people treat visitors to your beautiful city.

I was only in Sydney for a short time and it was magical, with the exception of the dealing I have had with the toll bridge people. I now have a very bad taste in my mouth about how you have all accepted and cowered to the power and arrogance of the Harbor Bridge Toll colleting bosses.

My first comment is that on approaching the bridge I cannot recall seeing the full and un-disclosed fees and charges incurred for crossing our great bridge. I would be surprised if it was illegal to charge someone for something they have not agreed to, and have no idea the total cost involved in accepting the service. Then to top it all off you are fined if you do not pay for something you did not agree too. It is the epitome of arrogance.

When you go to the MyRTA web site and you enter the screen to add your credit card details. The site does not show as being in a secure zone so you can not be sure your credit card details are safe.

I tried to send some comments via the Myrta web site but the comments area does not work, I does not send the comments or questions simply gives an error after you enter your details and press the send button.

I visit Sydney very rarely and do not wish to have an account, I ask one simply thing. Let me pay my toll for crossing the bridge and contribute to the coffers of the Government, but don’t rip me off and make feel like I never want to visit the great city of Sydney again.

Every time I see the bridge on New Years Eve it will not have the same nostalgic and patriotic feeling as before. Now I know it it the home of a money stealing tyrant who does not give one iota about one of our national symbols and the memories of visitors to a great city, just a way to rip more people off.

I will not pay the admin fees, the video search fees and any other fees they threaten to extort from me, but I will send them the standard crossing amount (and a reasonable admin fee) in cash to their office. If they are not happy with that then I will see them in court where I can have my say and standup for what I believe is a fair go for all. It is a shame more Sydney siders did not do the same when they realised they were being ripped off..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can say how frustrated and angry I am.<br />
Today I have sent almost two hours trying to get some information from the RTA about the toll on the Harbor Bridge.</p>
<p>If I lived in Sydney I would be so ashamed and embarrassed about the way you let your government and Harbor Bridge management people treat visitors to your beautiful city.</p>
<p>I was only in Sydney for a short time and it was magical, with the exception of the dealing I have had with the toll bridge people. I now have a very bad taste in my mouth about how you have all accepted and cowered to the power and arrogance of the Harbor Bridge Toll colleting bosses.</p>
<p>My first comment is that on approaching the bridge I cannot recall seeing the full and un-disclosed fees and charges incurred for crossing our great bridge. I would be surprised if it was illegal to charge someone for something they have not agreed to, and have no idea the total cost involved in accepting the service. Then to top it all off you are fined if you do not pay for something you did not agree too. It is the epitome of arrogance.</p>
<p>When you go to the MyRTA web site and you enter the screen to add your credit card details. The site does not show as being in a secure zone so you can not be sure your credit card details are safe.</p>
<p>I tried to send some comments via the Myrta web site but the comments area does not work, I does not send the comments or questions simply gives an error after you enter your details and press the send button.</p>
<p>I visit Sydney very rarely and do not wish to have an account, I ask one simply thing. Let me pay my toll for crossing the bridge and contribute to the coffers of the Government, but don’t rip me off and make feel like I never want to visit the great city of Sydney again.</p>
<p>Every time I see the bridge on New Years Eve it will not have the same nostalgic and patriotic feeling as before. Now I know it it the home of a money stealing tyrant who does not give one iota about one of our national symbols and the memories of visitors to a great city, just a way to rip more people off.</p>
<p>I will not pay the admin fees, the video search fees and any other fees they threaten to extort from me, but I will send them the standard crossing amount (and a reasonable admin fee) in cash to their office. If they are not happy with that then I will see them in court where I can have my say and standup for what I believe is a fair go for all. It is a shame more Sydney siders did not do the same when they realised they were being ripped off..</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Atrax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Atrax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cashless is ok, $40 deposit for a tag is not ok with me. Nor are the extra fee&#039;s concerned with the online &quot;E-pass&quot; system. there should be an easy way to make payments ONLINE within 48hrs without the need to register, or pay extra fee&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cashless is ok, $40 deposit for a tag is not ok with me. Nor are the extra fee&#8217;s concerned with the online &#8220;E-pass&#8221; system. there should be an easy way to make payments ONLINE within 48hrs without the need to register, or pay extra fee&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets make our State Capital as unuser friendly as possible.  It is often not possible to pre pay for a toll, especially if you are going somewhere new and don&#039;t know you will need one.  There should be at least one lane for those that don&#039;t have the tag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets make our State Capital as unuser friendly as possible.  It is often not possible to pre pay for a toll, especially if you are going somewhere new and don&#8217;t know you will need one.  There should be at least one lane for those that don&#8217;t have the tag.</p>
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