Using GPS while driving
As the number of cars with GPS systems increase, NRMA’s Motoring Advice team have received many enquiries from drivers uncertain about the legality of fixing them to their windscreens and using them while driving.
There is no specific provision under the Road Rules which prohibits the affixing of GPS units to a vehicle.
Road Rule 297 (2) states: “A driver must not drive a motor vehicle unless the driver has a clear view of the road, and traffic, ahead, behind and to the side of the driver.”
This rule makes no reference to the type or description of the object that may constitute a breach of the rule. In other words, this is a general rule where a driver may be held to be in breach of it, if the evidence establishes the placement of an object deprives the driver of a motor vehicle from having a clear view of the road and traffic.
There is also a rule, which in certain circumstances permits a driver to drive a motor vehicle with a visual display unit if it is, or is part of, a driver’s aid. A ‘driver’s aid’ is navigational or intelligent highway and vehicle system equipment, which could be a GPS. The rule does not state where on the vehicle it is to be fitted.
Therefore, should a driver’s aid, such as a GPS unit fitted on the vehicle, deprive the driver of a clear view of the road and traffic ahead, behind and to each side of the vehicle, the driver may be fined or prosecuted for breaching this rule.
Have you found your GPS restricts your vision when driving? Are they safe to operate while driving or should there be stricter laws governing their use?
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July 7th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Two separate issues are raised here.
1. Restricting vision when driving? In my opinion, no more than other labels and electronic toll tags mounted on the windscreen.
2. Are they safe to operate while driving? perhaps not but do we have laws governing a drivers use of the radio/cd system whilst driving – no. I have seen drivers exchanging CD’s whilst on the move – no less dangerous than operating a GPS unit (although factory fitted GPS units have limited operation while the vehicle is moving).
July 7th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
GPS systems stop one scrabbling in one’s UBD while looking for the right turn off. I can think of more than a few instances of drivers reading the street directory while driving. Overall they have to make driving safer. Especially the ones with voice guidance. I feel quite sure they reduce the total number of collisions on the road. Any stats on that?
July 8th, 2009 at 10:00 am
I use a GPS on my motorbike (most daily travelling), and in car… all the time. So invaluable now for finding your way through the traffic mire on unusual routes, keeping that extra note of “speed” and awareness of things like school zones.. sometimes its that extra voice in my head that alerts to me to the other things you just otherwise can’t take in while concentrating. Love ‘em!
July 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
I’m regularly amazed by the number of drivers I see who have stuck a GPS to the middle of the windscreen where it significantly blocks part of their view of the road. I stick mine to the bottom right-hand corner of the screen where it blocks very little of my view, as recommended by the GPS manufacturer.
I don’t know of any stats about GPS’s affecting the number of collisions. I saw some report where they save a significant amount of fuel and they certainly save time.
The important thing is to not let a GPS grab too much of your attention. With their visual and audible indications, it’s tempting to watch them instead of the traffic, especially just after you’ve bought it.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
As already suggested, GPS is no more intrusive/distracting than ladels,stickers/passes/permits that we must fix to the windscreen.
Commonsense dictates that the driver should not reprogramme when underway. Commonsense also says thas having clear instructions are much better than using directories (if you can find a space to pull over) or driving slowly ro read street names.
No more distracting than having to check the speedo from time to time.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
We are almost a communist country now, we don’t need any more rules. Its basic common sense, most people will put the unit where they can see it without looking away from the road for too long. This is more important than the small amount of road it could block. The A pillars and wing mirrors block more. They are better and safer than driving with a UBD in your lap, which we have all done in the past. They help not hinder road safety, and there use should not be regulated.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
I have a GPS in my Nokia phone. I leave it on the seat next to me and don’t even look at it as it prompts me where to go via voiceover. So not dangerous at all.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I stick my GPS at the lowest point on the right side of the windscreen and in this position the GPS is only about 50mm above the dash.
It totally depends on the size of the driver, if you are tall you see over with ease, BUT if you are shorter then you may have some problems.
Highway patrol have been known to issue infringement notices to people who have a tacho in the middle of the dash, because it distracts the drivers behind you and yet they let you have a GPS in the middle at the bottom of the windscreen….which is bigger and brighter than a tacho.
Where do we draw the line.
distracted by radio or music
distracted by mobile phone (handsfree or not)
distracted by GPS
Distracted by your kids fighting and yelling in the back seat.
Do we make laws to limit distractions;
All childern must be bound and gagged to prevent distraction.
All stereo’s must play boring and dull opera or be off
All mobile phones are to be off while driving or not receive any calls….like to see that with some police
So you see we could attack everything and people will do as they please regardless
eg P platers driving V8′s STILL….
July 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
I place my Navman bottom centre of screen where it does not restrict my view. I set it whilst stationary and don’t change or enter anything whilst driving. Mine tells me not to use it whilst driving.
Used correctly they increase safety allowing you get into the correct lane in plenty of time instead of turning sharply when you see the street you want or having to do u turns etc. It beeps if I get over the speed limit and gives me more confidence when driving in an unknown territory. Best thing since sliced bread
July 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
I use the GPS very often. In my view it obstucts the view of the driver if the unit is attached to the windscreen. It also poses a danger of injury in case of accident or collision. I stick the GPS system to the dash board or the base used to fix hands free for mobile phone. Definitely the advantage of having GPS unit handy is a great benefit and it also saves from carrying load of different treet directories.
I am not a fan of GPS unit with bluetooth receiver. The navigation stops when answering the call. It is better to keep GPS unit simple and easy
July 9th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Chris summed it up well as extra note and extra voice. My partner insists me to keep it ON even if we are in a known route so that I will be alerted if unconsciously I am exceeding the speed by 5 KM’s
July 9th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Well to start with I have to agree with Bob, the placement of the GPS is a big issue (and even moreso at night). I am driving all day every day and see a lot of badly positioned GPS, I personally have mine mounted resting on the dash at the bottom middle windscreen where the only thing it is blocking is the Bonnet. (this was the manufacturers recommendation of my model). The place I often see GPS which concerns me the most is directly in front of the driver! One last night was actually at Eye level, so was the driver watching the road or driving by the GPS?????
GPS are very good for speed as well as they are much more accurate than most cars speedos, for example my work car registers 100 on the speedo when the GPS tells me I am actually sitting on 90 (no wonder the truckies get pissed off ).
Mine has voice commands so I do not need to look at GPS for turns, and also alerts me when I go 5kms or more over the speed limit. This is especially useful when in unfamiliar areas.
I think the Police and RTA needs to publish a recommended placement and an exclusion Zone for placement in cars
July 9th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
No I dont think so. It does not impair ability to have a clear vision.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
A P-plate driver rang up the back of my husbands car at a set of traffic lights, while he was punching in directions to his GPS. I think the rules should be the same as for mobile phones.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
I have recetly purchased a GPS and when I use it it is either stuck on the size of the windscreen or on the passenger seat, it is mainly the voice that guides me, not the map. It is a lot safer having clear instructions given to you while trying to navigate difficult routes rather than trying to balance a street directory on your lap and read it while driving. Obviously the poeple complaining about people using them have never used one themselves.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
I feel that when driving you should not be playing with your GPS, As most people have them fitted on the windscreen you find yourself leaning forward to do anything with them. If you know how to use one you can put where you are going into it before you drive off, therefor why do you need to touch it while you are driving.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I have been using a windscreen mounted GPS for about 6 months, and now class this as being a safety device, rather than just a navigator.
Sure, programming this while driving would be take concentration from the road, so I refrain from doing this.
I find having this on the windscreen to be of benefit, as the information is able to be seen with a quick glance – rather than having to look away from the road.
The additional information of knowing what is coming up as well as speed zones is a handy feature, and one that I find invaluable, especially when travelling on unfamiliar roads.
I was planning to get a factory fitted GPS on my next car, but as these are mounted in the dash, now consider the attachable type to be a better option.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
THEY SHOULD HAVE A LAW WHERE U CAN USE THEM WHILE UR DRIVING. N PLAYED IN A GOOD SPOT. ITS VERY HARD TO NOT LOOK AND IN MOST CASE JUST LIKE A PHONE
July 9th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
The only time I’ve used a GPS was when I rented a car from Brisbane airport to drive to Toowoomba. The combination of an unfamiliar car, unfamiliar GPS system and a huge amount of roadworks turned the experience into a nerve racking exercise. Though the GPS proved invaluable it also added another dimension to driving and the prospect of focusing more on the GPS display than the road. No doubt practice makes perfect but it begs the question how many other drivers are still getting used to using them, particularly when driving in peak hour traffic! Perhaps a warning should be included in the packaging (and stated on rental units) advising users they would be wise to test drive them “as a learner” before driving in difficult conditions.
No, I didn’t find it presented an obstruction to my view.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
I think, GPS is a very good instrument for the people who arrive into a new city and dont know the ways. What if someone like me does not know how to look the street directory and not familiar with maps. It definitely does not restrict the vision. You can set your destination before you start driving and no problems at all.
Its personal understanding that you should not use GPS while on the move as it can lead to accident.
I dont see any reason why GPS should be banned except that people by themselves should be wise enough not to use when on the move.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
I’m tired of legisators that dumbs down accountability so that people can no longer take responsibility for their own actions. A ‘licence to drive’ is just that – being capable of assessing risk inside and outside of the car (including the obstruction or interference by GPS) is part of the driving environment. I also hold a similar view regarding mobile phones. Legislating against their use is removing responsibility from the driver to chose to be focussed on the job at hand. (I do NOT advocate using mobile phones whilst in control of a moving vehicle) To follow this logic we can expect legislation against in-car audio systems including i-pods, unsecured objects such as water bottles or food or makeup, and laws against drivers viewing passing scenery as they drive…. It always remains the drivers responsibility to drive in a safe manor and our parliamentary fettish for legislating the life out us should be abandoned or truthfully published as the money grab that it is!
July 9th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
It depends on your driving habit and where you put it, I normally put it very high position on the windscreen, normally listen to the voice guide, only look at it when it’s necessary or safe…
Mobile phone or radio or other stuffs more dangerous than GPS…
GPS just a reference…you don’t have to always follow it…
July 9th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
You ask “Are they safe to operate while driving” Well thats what there meant for, if you dont use them while driving then whats the point. But as you know just like phones and other stuff we have been banned form using it will take one person juts one person to do something wrong and we will lose that as well…. Oh well Back to holding up my street directory infront of the window while driving with my knees ..! Much Much Safer option ..!
July 9th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
I have a GPS with Text to Speech hence I am listening to directions rather than looking for them. The GPS does not restrict my vision even though it is affixed to my windscreen. It also displays my speed and I find that as the unit is in line of sight it is very easy to check my speed without dropping my eyes to check my speedometer. One of the greatest benefits of my GPS is its advice of speed cameras and school zones. Often the signs (rather than flashing lights) are easily missed whilst driving and the GPS warning is useful in advising to slow down for a particular reason, e.g. school zone. Thus, it is actually assisting the RTA in helping me to be aware of these restricted speed areas particularly when I am out of my own area, like Darwin where I was recently. I do not see why there should be any law relating to these devices, particularly Text to Speech units.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Firstly, I agree with others that a GPS is much safer than trying to read a street directory while driving. As for obstructing the view, it’s hardly an issue when compared to taxi’s who have their large computers up hanging off the windscreen not to mention all the stickers on the passenger side talking about costs, rights etc and the video camera and eTag in the top middle. Some even have GPS units in addition to all these other things.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Nothing says to other drivers “I don’t know what I’m doing” better than a GPS on the window.
They are distracting for some users. Should they be controlled? Of course, but we should have regulations banning drivers from using any kind of gadget (or food, or books, etc) while moving.
Someone said it stops people scrabbling in the UBD. Sure, but these same people will allow themselves to become just as distracted by whatever else they use. The problem is with driver behaviour, not the type of device or map they are using.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
GPS systems are great as said, and far superior (not to mention easier) than the UBD. Saying that, it’s truly mad to see them in the middle of windscreens – often surely obstructing the view of the driver!? — Isn’t it illegal to even simply have a crack in your windscreen? — I often wonder if these clowns have just been watching Star Wars and the death star destruction scene? I haven’t noticed R2-D2 in the boot of said vehicles – let’s hope the ‘Force’ guides them through town if the GPS ever fails on them! Particularly like seeing them in use when on the Hume Highway – hmmmmmmmmmmmmm……. It’s a worry. ‘Turn right in 362km’
July 9th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
It’s pretty simple really, a GPS is a great aid to not getting lost. Same as a mobile phone is a great tool for staying in contact and a CD player is great for not being bored whilst driving.
HOWEVER –
If you use a GPS set up the driving plan before you start the car.
If you use a UBD, look it up before you go instead of driving with it on the wheel.
If you need to make, or take a call or SMS on your mobile, PULL OVER. If it’s more important to take the call than get where you’re going, then you can spare a few minutes on the side of the road. If it’s not important, let it ring.
Get rid of your CDs and put an iPod or MP3 player/dock.
I ride a motorcycle, and commute almost every day and can tell when someone is either setting up a GPS or talking on the phone (hands free or not) They’re usually the ones in the right hand lane doing 10kms under the limit and almost running into you at red lights.
Someone said “Use common sense”, It’s my experience that there is very little of that on the roads these days. It’s all about “me first, stuff everyone else”
July 9th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
I agree with Michael Potts. I too am fed up with beaurocrats trying to dominate and control every last aspect of driving a car, and taking away all discretion and common sense from drivers.
They are doing this by installing red arrows at intersections so that a driver can be booked for making a right hand turn when there is not a car approaching in sight.
They impose a 40km/h speed limit near schools so you can be booked when there is not one child visible anywhere. They put roundabouts in back streets and expect you to use your turn signal as you go through in a straight line.
They impose 50km/h speed limits on arterial roads which used to be 60km/h without any problems, yet leave the 60km/h limit on some back streets where a 50km/h limit would actually be appropriate.
Who knows what “wise” laws they will impose on drivers next, whether it’s for GPS use or something else. Grrrr.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
The problem is that people put it in the middle of the windscreen which can block your vision, it is not the surface of the GPS but as you move further away it blocks out a large area of your sight eg a 4 x 6 cm screen at 300mm equates to 1000cm x 1200cm at 10mtrs.
Setting up your destination while on the move should be just as much an offence as using your moblie phone.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Like with anything, a tiny amount of commonsense is required.
You cannot legislate against stupidity, stupid people will always set up a gps in a stupid spot that obscures their view. Often using a gps is the least of their worries.
Use your brain, problem solved.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
I have a GPS unit, I bought it in February this year days before moving to Queensland from NSW, I use it every day and that it does not distract me. As long as the GPS talks to you and you dont have to look at the unit to find out where and when to turn.
GPS allowed us to drive from South Sydney to the Sunshine Coast without having to do any more than listen for the next turn, and as mentioned before, the system usually gives you a few hundred meters notice so that saves you making dangerous lane changes or turning sharply to make a corner.
The GPS is great for checking speed, because I place it in the bottom right hand side of my dash I am able to read my speed off the GPS whilst only having to change my focus slightly, and because the GPS is up on the dash where the road is, I can see if anything is happening ahead whilst checking this, same applies with directions if I dont hear the machine correctly, at a glance(like checking speed) and whilst still focusing on the road I am able to check where i need to go
I will not (and anyone with half a brain wont) set the GPS whilst driving, as standard you are unable to set the GPS whilst driving and you have to manually unlock this before being able to set while driving, the information the GPS provides cannot always be processed quickly and, like reading a text message is extremely distracting, its simple, pull over where safe and set it or, let someone who isn’t driving set it.
I think there should be a law against having GPS anywhere but at the bottom of the windscreen, because if its at the top, what happens if you need to use the sun visor, do you move or take off the GPS while driving, or do you block just that little bit more vision if its in the middle??
July 9th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
I mount my GPS unit in the lower right of windscreen, this causes no sight restriction and provides voice directions and warning of safety issues and speed zones ahead.
I have used it in Europe and it takes all the stress out of navigating to an unknown destination (in Aus as well), allowing full concentration on the driving task. They can be touch scren inerfaced while travelling but common sense tells you to pull over to do it or wait for a pause at a red light for example.
I find it invaluable for advanced warning of speed zones expecially school zones wihich are a trap given other visual polution and ambient visual distractions in the city environment. Although if more people had them and used them for this purpose it would deprvie the government of “revenue”, cynical, NEVER! Seriously I am sure they contribute to better speed zone compliance and hence road safety. In this regard the RTA and other road authorities should enhance its interface with companies that provide data to these device providers to maintain speed zone data that is as current as possible.
Variable work site speed zones on long work sites such as the work going on the pacific highway would be a good start.
A suggested advancement would be for Road organisations to provide chips in speed zones (or signs) that could be read by the GPS unit and hence give up to the minute knowledge of speed zoning to the driver on the section of road being travelled would never be in doubt.
I believe the contribution to road safety far outways any visual distarction that may occur.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
I think GPS units are a great idea, and they barely taking much windscreen real estate at all. I agree with others comments that there are other items like door pillars which create far worse blind spots than a GPS. A GPS unit makes driving safer in my opinion, the voice guidance means the driver only has to glance at the unit occasionally for visual prompts. One thing I would like to see as a matter of GPS evolution, is the traffic data receiver aerial be built into the unit like modern mobile phones. This would be take up less room on the windscreen and be one less thing to have to pack away each time. There are still enough idiots driving around holding mobile phones up to their ears which are far far more dangerous than any GPS unit. Perhaps tomtom should build in a warning for when a lunatic is coming at you talking on a mobile phone!
July 9th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
The VISUAL use of GPS units while driving should be outlawed. Anything that takes the driver’s attention away from the road and ongoing assessment of changing traffic is a danger to all of us.
I use a GPS. It is set so that a laconic but loud Jamaican gentleman tells me exactly where to go. It is mounted extreme bottom-left of the windscreen, where I can scarcely see it, and certainly cannot read it.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Guidelines YES, more Regulations NO. Common sense must prevail supported by proper education. I often wonder how many drivers actually understand that a GPS functions just as well when placed in the lower right side of a windscreen versus the middle. Guidelines and education is what’s needed not more regulations and laws (viz. “Nanny State”)
July 9th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
I believe that a GPS is a good alternative to a street directory because it has the benefits of telling you the speed limit giving warning before turning, etc. But if people are using their GPS while driving then I believe that is irresponsible and stupid. Hands free and speaker phone mobiles cannot be used while driving because it distracts the drivers attention so how does mounting a GPS on a windscreen make it NOT distracting?!
I think that a wise way to use a GPS is to pull over, set it and then drive. None of this mounting on the windscreen. Thats dangerous!
July 9th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
There’s no doubt that GPS can avoid driver confusion when travelling in an unfamiliar area. Avoiding confusion leads to less risk of other motorists being startled, or worse, by the sudden decision of another driver who realises at the last minute that he/she is lost or is about to go past the required turn off. So, I don’t criticise GPS as a navigational aid. What I do question is the graphic display being on when the vehicle is in motion. I recently had a rather nervewracking experience travelling in a vehicle whose driver was constantly checking where he was on the GPS screen instead of watching the damned road. I’m a critic of using mobiles, setting GPSs, reading road maps, finding the CD you want, or anything else that distracts a driver from watching the road and the traffic about him, and I’m therefore a strong critic of the visual display being available to the driver while the vehicle is in motion. It’s akin to watching cricket or football on television while driving. By all means have the audio directions but please do something to stop the visual display operating while the vehicle is moving. All this new gadgetry is marvellous but let a little commonsense prevail for all our sakes.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
I agree with Bob’s topic. (July 8th 2009 at 5:42pm) I put my GPS on the Right hand side of the windscreen on the lower side of the car and it doesn’t distract me while I’m driving. GPS manufactures Recommends it there. I always pull over to adjust my GPS and my mobile phone. I have recently purchase a new GPS with a Bluetooth built in and I find it’s good. There is too many distractions now these days like air freshners dangling on the rear vision mirrors or Crystal neckless alike, Stickers, Plush cushions on the back parcel shelve or anything. Over to you guys.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
A GPS device should not be placed where it restricts or obstructs the vision of the vehicle driver.
I appreciate the guidance a GPS gives to the driver, though I am sure that driver would feel just terrible should the vehicle strike a pedestrian, especially if that pedestrian is a child.
A put and look attitude should be employed prior to fitting the GPS in its permanent position. Test and see if it obstructs the vision, move, and look again. Life is precious.
Should the settings in the GPS require changing, consider parking the vehicle, make the change, resume the journey, what’s a minute or 2?
Safe motoring.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
The GPS screen is a real distraction at night, the light it pumps out even in night mode makes it impossible for the kids to watch a DVD. And the stupid thing sometimes starts speaking with a really annoying Irish accent. So then I have one hand playing with the settings on the GPS while being berated by a leprechaun, the other hand on the remote for the DVD, 3 screaming kids wanting to watch Shrek and a cold Mc Latte to contend with. How can I concentrate on a hands free mobile phone call with all this going on?
July 9th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
I have my GPS in the middle of my windscreen just below the rear vision mirror, It does not block my view as I watch the road directly infront of me, I don’t drive looking through the middle of the windscreen. No Offence to Bob, but I don’t see how a GPS in the middle of the windscreen is obstructing the view directectly in front of the driver where he/she should be focused. I only glance to the middle of my windscreen to view the rear view mirror.
I never read my GPS I listen to the instruction as if someone were reading a street directory to me, I can’t glance over to the street directory in their lap!
July 9th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Shouldnot be used while driving but we have enough laws to take our money. If you are that stupid to put it in a place that restricks your vission then the GPS is only a small problem with your driving.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Most of the time the spoken directions from a GPS are sufficient to let you know when to turn. However there are some situations where you need to make a series of complicated turns one immediately after the other, and the visual display makes it a lot easier to understand exactly what you need to do.
I still think that positioning a GPS unit in the lower corner of the windscreen is a good location because it’s still quicker to focus on and it takes your eyes off the road less than looking at the speedo, and all you good drivers do regularly check your speed, don’t you?
The important thing is not to let a GPS dominate your attention which happens all too easily especially if you haven’t used one before. And trying to use the touch screen while moving is a very bad idea. Pull over and stop or do it at red traffic lights if you need to change something, as several other people here have said.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
The GPS as any other device like mobile phones radios etc. will produce a distraction. But only those with experience (policemen truckies ambulance drivers firebrigade drivers courriers etc.) and or proper training will have the edge to bring the car under control for a dangerous situations.
I do find when i drive (I do have 37 years of experience in cars truck and motorbikes) everyday others drivers who show lack of experience when they are at the roundabouts or reversing or overtaking or changing lanes or geting in/out of drive ways or ignoring the meaning of merging lanes example who has priority etc. Adding to those individuals a GPS is an accident waiting to happen Solution is in = education and better training. Those who infringe the law should go to a proper training/counseling (psichologilcal evaluation too depend on the offence like those who speeeding time after time ) at their proper expenses; or they don’t get the license back. No one should be on the road to put others people life at risk for incompetents or psichological problems. People who dont know how to drive can be killed or have an accident at any speed. The power of the vehicle and capacity should be related to the experience of the driver. Not only L’s and P’s. I got more ideas and suggestions to stop people being killed on the road. Im fed up seeing speeding only as a factor for revenue. Thank you for reading
July 9th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
GPS units are great, as a lot of other people have said here most people have enough common sense to place the unit in an appropriate position, and to enter your trip points when stationary.
…..Just remember to remove your GPS and the Brackets when not in use, as I know a few people whos windows have been smashed and no more GPS.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
I believe if there is only a driver in the car, the GPS unit must be set before leaving home. Same rules should apply as mobile phones as playing with the GPS unit distracts the driver. GPS units are designed as a navigational tool and as such should only be used by the navigator, not the driver, when the car is on the move. It should also be mounted where the navigator can easily access and view the unit, not the driver.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
in the netherlands, where driving exams are far more extensive then in australia,the student can now incorporate the examinable route in their
“tom tom” gps system and follow that prescribed route.
thus allowing the examiner to assess the student without detailing verbally
where to go. it seems just as we check regularly our mirrors and look
over our shoulders to view our position ,we can do the same with our gps.
it must be said however that the position of the gps should be predetermined by law, that is , placed out of direct visual window view.
i would be more concerned about various “dingledangles” hanging from the rearvision mirror, the type to be removed when exam driving takes place.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Placement of the GPS can obscure driver’s vision or can be placed in a position that does not. Because I am taller than most I can place the GPS low on the right or left in such a way as to not obscure my view of the road or traffic. Many dash mounted gauges would reduce driver visibilty for short drivers.
Any driver who is likely to be distracted by looking at the GPS while driving is likely to be even more distracted by trying to read a street directory while driving.
With the voiced instructions there is little need to look at the unit. Most motorcycle riders do not look at theirs at all, it is in their jacket pocket.
Unfortunatly the authorities make the rules for the least capable and worst behaved drivers.
Drivers of emergency vehciles are permited to use their radios while driving. For more than eleven years I was an ambulance officer and on numerous occassions operated the radio to relay information between my partner and HQ while driving at speed. Some peolpe are capable of carring on a conversation without reducing their ability to drive safely. Some drivers are distracted by their passengers, not only their children. It is worrying to see drivers continually turning their heads to look at the passenger beside them while driving.
Unfortunatly we have given up on penalising drivers for bad driving and increased the numbers of laws that are prescribed activities.
Since England did a similar thing, concentrating on speed rather than driving behaviour, thier accident rate has gone up.
Concentration on driving behaviour has probably been given away because of the difficultys experienced in the courts. Increasing the number of laws that most drivers feel are used more for revenue raising rather than road safty increases the resentment of drivers rather than their compliance.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Brendan’s so right about GPS thieves. My first GPS got stolen out of my car in the driveway. Also remember to wipe away the faint ring on the windscreen which is left by the suction mount. GPS thieves look for that and if one sees it, he’ll assume there’s a GPS in your car and trash everything to find it.
I agree with Andres. There should be far greater emphasis on driver skills and maturity/temperament, than on the Nanny State approach of imposing unnecessarily strict rules and speed limits (which a lot of green P platers ignore anyway because they think the P means “Proficient”) and throwing roundabouts everywhere etc. That’s my 2c for tonight.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Hey Guy’s follow the GPS guide lines!
Or just use common sense place GPS down as low as you can and on the Drivers side corner.
Keep it simple and SAFE.
You have my life and my family’s lives as well as yours.
What did we do before technology?
July 9th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
To be honest, I believe the GPS should be attached to the middle of the windscreen, down the bottom. This means your eyes are central which gives greater view. Operating GPS while driving is dangerous, but sometimes mine pops up with simple messages like “Your battery is low”, which I need to tick out of to see where I am going.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
I have seen a number of idiots who have obviously cut their driving licence out of the back of a Kellog’s or Uncle Toby’s cereal packet, rather than going to the RTA to get one legally, who have planted their GPS dead centre in the windscreen in from of them. Words fail me..! I, like other sensible drivers who have occasion to use one, have it bottom right of my windscreen, and yes, remove when not in the car, and yes, clean the ring off as well. It’s just common sense!
July 9th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
I’m all for GPS units as if they are installed in a logical position they provide a large amount of info in a very easy, and quick to read format. Info such as current speed (that is a lot more accurate than most car speedos) and distance to next turn so you can safely get your vehicle into the correct lane early provide a driver with much better situational awareness. I don’t mount mine on the windscreen, rather I purchased a bean bag mount via eBay that sits on my dashmat. I place it just to the left of the intrument cluster on my Commodore and because it is that much closer, I can easily see around and over it so it does not block any portion of the road. This has a number of benefits in that, I don’t leave the ring of invitation to thieves and don’t have to play the mount, unmount game because it isn’t quite in the right spot. It does have the unwanted side effect of having it closer to you so some may be tempted to fiddle, but please leave that until stopped.
If you follow the lead of aircraft engineers, the human machine interface (HMI) trained designer will tell you that you should configure it so that it is viewed as part of your standard scanning technique. You will all remember being taught to scan road ahead, drivers mirror, road ahead, speedo, road ahead, rear mirror, road ahead, passenger mirror, road ahead, etc. So make sure that were you place it it is able to be seen quickly and without having to spend a lot of time trying to focus on the display.
As for the comments about using them on highways, some of them are equipped with mp3 players (thus improving safety as yu are continually trying to retune radio stations or change CD’s) and/or bluetooth as not every car has a bluetooth connection. I would rather somebody conducted their phonecall handsfree through the GPS than jam the phone into their shoulder.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:07 am
I sam in total agreement with Andrew, so you wont have to look, here’s what he said: Well to start with I have to agree with Bob, the placement of the GPS is a big issue (and even moreso at night). I am driving all day every day and see a lot of badly positioned GPS, I personally have mine mounted resting on the dash at the bottom middle windscreen where the only thing it is blocking is the Bonnet. (this was the manufacturers recommendation of my model). The place I often see GPS which concerns me the most is directly in front of the driver! One last night was actually at Eye level, so was the driver watching the road or driving by the GPS?????
GPS are very good for speed as well as they are much more accurate than most cars speedos, for example my work car registers 100 on the speedo when the GPS tells me I am actually sitting on 90 (no wonder the truckies get pissed off ).
Mine has voice commands so I do not need to look at GPS for turns, and also alerts me when I go 5kms or more over the speed limit. This is especially useful when in unfamiliar areas.
I think the Police and RTA needs to publish a recommended placement and an exclusion Zone for placement in cars
I think the in built dash systems could be the problem, if people constantly look at them. Plus a friend just advised me they went to update their manufacturers sat nav and the upgrade was $1200, they are now the proud parents of a baby TomTom!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:20 am
Sheikh Z. Ali
Gps system has given the drivers a lot of benefits including informing red light and speed cameras, school zone besides taking drivers to the destination.
It has some dangerous disadvantages. If we set the Gps in the middle of the wide screne, that will effect to look at the road clearly. While driving, Gps should not be operated that can causes accident any time.
Once I was driving with the Gps and I had an accodent while I was taking left turn . Gps was saying to me turn left and keep right and I was trying to go very right lane and I could not see other car was coming in the same way , as I was looking at the Gps and my car hit by others.
After that I never use Gps , just have a look at the street directory before I start journey to a unknown place
Moreover if you use Gps you never know the roads and you won’t get confident without it .
So according to my experience ” try not to operate Gps while driving, do not set Gps straightly in front of you that can effect looking the street clearly.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:28 am
I love them.Dosnt interfer with my vision,because I have it in the right hand corner of my screen,I find you arnt distracted trying to find a street in a directorymmy eyes are on the road all the time,it makes my driving safer and more enjoyable.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:05 am
it does seem a bit ridiculous to think of all the things stuck to cars windscreen-service stickers, registration stickers, National Parks pass etc etc plus e-tag, mobile phone holders and now GPS units. but i agree- if you own a GPS equipped with school zone alerts/different speed zones then they can become an invaluable driving aid. im not sure if they reduce the number of accidents, probably not.
the fact that TOUCHING a mobile phone is illegal in some parts of Australia yet you can enter info into a GPS unit is bizarre.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Location on dashboard not a problem. However, I found the gps diplay very distracting for safe driving and found myself wandering across lanes a couple of times. Once the novelty had worn off I learned to ignore it altogether. Also programming a destination, or even changing the display whilst driving cause severe lane wander! The repeated voice prompts were annoying and were sound turned off.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:35 am
I HAVE READ THE RESPONDS ABOUT THE GPS COMMENTS I QUITE LIKE THEIR OPINIONS FIRSTLY I RECOMEND THE USE OF IT FOR THE FULL LICENCE DRIVERS AND SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR THE LS P1 OR P2 BECAUSE IT WILL DESTRUCT THEM FROM WATCHING THE ROAD PLEASE REPLY TO ME IF YOU LIKE THE IDEA THANK YOU
July 10th, 2009 at 10:41 am
GPS systems are a tremendous aid for the motorist. I think the safety issue which has been discussed relates to operating the device not listening to the device. I use a factory fitted GPS (toyota vehicle) which prevents the operation whilst the vehicle is moving however still guides me to my pre-set destination.
Perhaps consideration is given to factory fitted GPS devices in ALL vehicles prior to sale in Australia. This may prevent the use of mobile GPS units which do not have the operation limited whilst the car is moving hence the reason behind the call to introduce regulation similar to the use of phones.
Unfortunately, most motorists who do the right thing are being over-regulated because the law makers set the rules based on the lowest common denominator – the few idiot drivers.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
I do not believe the GPS fixed to the front window is a hindrance. It obviously depends on where on the window it is placed. A driver should be listening to the instructions and not reading the viewer as this could/would cause an accident. As far as I am concerned the GPS is the best thing that has been invented for drivers.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:11 am
It depends….
on the type of vehicle you drive and the size of the unit.
I use mine mounted on the right hand side of the rear vision mirror (Toyota Tarago). Drivers should be aware of what is behind the vehicle (almost as important as whats going on ion front). With my Tomtom in that position I can see whats behind me and also what is coming up in front of me in one glance.
I took mine to Europe where we hired a campervan, and every night I planned in more detail, our route. I even used the unit on foot in the likes of Rome and Venice which I found to be extremely convenient. You don’t get that option with an in dash model – not until they make them like the removable face plates of in car stereo units.
It is also an issue where commonsense prevails. If you need to enter intricate instructions – pull over and put them in and while your at it have a stretch. But if you just need to change the unit to night setting that should be easily performed (on my unit it is).
If drivers do not use commonsense then I suggest they nominate themselves for the Darwin Awards.
ood to see a discussion like this as invariably there are things that I have not thought of, both pros and cons. Keep up the good work.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Band them, I am a traffic controller & have constant problems with drivers using GPS. One of the main problems is motorist pulling up in restricted areas or no stopping zones putting in information & have to wait for a response from GPS.
Ernie
July 10th, 2009 at 11:25 am
GPS’s have pros and cons, the latter being when the driver spends most of the time viewing the GPS screen instead of the road. this i experienced with a driver who continually had trouble staying on the road or crossing to the other side and had several near misses. if you use a GPS, don’t look at it whilst driving and have one that speaks to you the directions.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:26 am
planning trips is essential a map based reviw of where one is headed is essential so one has in maind roughly where roads go –gps are not always accurate as l/govt has to ground truth road names and changes to mapping –and this is always behind the 8ball –gps data is only as good as that data –however if one comes across a MVA then the data of exact location for emergency services to respond to is invaluable–000–
re restriction of vision -it is possible to mount the gps on windscreen where this does not occur and as such the driver should avoid watching the screen as the voice capacity pre warns of changes and if those are responded to then the map only phase is not necessary –good for navigator in passengers seat but not for driver –commonsense needed-not regulation..grb
July 10th, 2009 at 11:54 am
NSW has become a police state with the constant stream of Nanny laws being passed. Unfortunatly (or fortunatly) they can’t legislate a law for common sense. It’s about time the NSW govt stopped legislating our freedom away for the sake of revenue raising and started encouraging people to use common sense. GPS’s take away the need to be distracted by trying to follow street directories. Help drivers stay aware of constantly changing speed limits and I think improve safty overall.
If a driver mounts a GPS in a stupid position that is obviously blocking vision, how about police respond by pointing out to the driver a better mounting location and wish them a pleasant day.
Ohhh, but that would not raise revenue would it!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:57 am
God help us! NO MORE RULES. GPS is the best system ever. Trust me I’ve driven from London to Paris with it, and in the U.S.
In this over-governed Nanny State where idiots define speed limits unconnected to common sense, and other rules which don’t make sense, any tampering with GPS would be sinful.
They are efficient and effective. You can find out and plan your trip, timewise, length wise and any other wise.
You can legislate for anything but not for stupidity. The idiot who misuses the GPS or runs into your back because they’ve been too busy fiddling with the GPS could also minutes earlier have been putting in a new CD, fiddling with the radio or lighting a cigarette (which he’d probably throw the butt out the window on a hot summer day) or dialling or talking of the cell phone. But idiots are idiots. IF you want to ban anything do an IQ test. But you’d have to have one before employment in the RTA as well.
Hands off my GPS!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:59 am
I have two cars both with GPS. One mounted in the dash, the other mounted on the windscreen. I use both of them regularly. Mostly I enter details before departing. Both units have audio instructions when to turn etc., so I don’t have to look at the display a lot. The unit mounted on the windscreen is positioned in the bottome right hand corner of the windscreen not high and in the centre like most other cars. It doesn’t obstruct my view and the power cable is plenty long enought to reach the power outlet in the centre console. I often see people driving with a street directory on their laps or even resting on the steering whell while they’re driving. It seems that common sense, as it is in most things, is what is needed. Although GPS are not infalible they are a very useful tool.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Mine is located, when fitted, well out of the line of sight and doesn’t obscure vision at all. However, I do see many fitted right in the way of drivers’ vision especially when they sit low in their seats.
I also see fluffy dice, St. Christopher medals, skulls and other rubbish perched on dashboards and hanging from rear view mirrors that should be banished – good luck with the legislation!
July 10th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Putting it in the normal (windscreen) position makes it hard to see when the sun shines on it.
i mounted mine in the dash in front of the tacco (who needs one on an Automatic). That way you can glance at it the same time as eh speedo.
In the USA it is illegal to have it on the windscreen in some states. The hire car usually has a fitting on teh dashboard but low down, difficult to see but you can still hear it.
Common sense needed and a bit of ingenuity.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
If the devise is fitted to the lower right hand side of the windscreen just above the dash; I see no problem with vision impairment. Constant fiddling with the unit may not be advised.
At the start of your journey, set and forget.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Navigating via a GPS has got to be better than driving with a street directory in your lap. Mine is located in the lower left corner of windscreen, all it obscures is the bonnet of my car, and I use it as my speedometer as well, easier than dropping my eyes all the way down to the dash, and is more accurate too!
July 10th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
GPS systems are yet to be bettered for finding your away around town, city, country, lot safer than a paper direc tory, no matter what equipment one has in his vehical its another distraction. without a GPS either you have to have a street map or look harder to see street signs etc and that means slowing down or even stopping in the traffic to read the street signs. changing gears checking you mirrors, blowing your nose, smoking, wearing dark sunglass’s is other distractions, so where do you draw the line.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I have had no issues with blocking of my sight whilst driving, but have received the many benefits of using my GPS to find new places I am going to that I have not gone to before.
It has saved many hours of frustration, getting lost because I missed a turning in my UBD, or just gone an extremely long route, because I could not work out the shortest route from the pages of my UBD, so used the main roads only.
Because it verbally tells me where to go and which lane to be in, life has become very much simpler and easier. One does have to use common sense and not enter your information while driving, but before you set out on your trip. Like a mobile phone, it is safe to use if used properly, and unsafe to use if you are behaving stupidly and trying to enter information while driving.
I recently asked a passenger to enter information for me, to find our destination. Because he could not work out how to do this, I pulled over to the side of the road and entered the information myself, then proceeded to follow the very clear directions thereafter. I believe that is the sensible way to do things.
Driving with a UBD sitting in your lap is far more dangerous, both to yourself and to the many pedestrians and other drivers on the road.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I think that the GPS is fantastic and is safe to use. i find that the mirrors on almost all new cars are more dangerous. As they make the distance of the cars in the next lane look further back than they are ,when you think it is safe to change lanes you find that the other car is right on top of you. Give me the old style of mirror.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
I use my Navigator GPS on trips where i dont know my way.. its mounted to the right of the driver,on the windscreen and not in the middle where i have to take my eyes off the road for too long a look. Knowing you have to make a turn allows you time to get in the right lane and prevents those last minute turns when you finally see the name of the street. Programming it before you drive off does away with “using” it while driving.. and can it be worse than juggling a street directory and trying to drive at the same time???
July 10th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
The sheer amount of drivers that have thier Sat-Nav placed smack bang in the middle of the windshield amazes me, how the hell do they see properly?
As for those saying its a driver aid, that it may be – however, I feel driver skill is diminishing, how hard is it to read a street directory, remember where you need to go – and drive? If I get lost I pull over into a side street, find where I am, and then go again.
Same rules should apply to Sat-Nav’s as they do to any vehicle modification. Gauges cannot be placed on the A pillar or above the dash level. 1) they obstruct your view 2) your head can hit it in an accident. Same rules should apply to sat-nav’s.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I must admit that I am a fan of GPS units and I agree with several people that have stated it must be safer than having a UBD or similar map on your lap. I am, however, continually amazed at the positions some people mount their units. Only yesterday I saw a GPS mounted almost directly in front of the driver on the windscreen. I was totally bemused at how this could not be a distraction. I use mine extensively during interstate business trips to help me get around efficiently between appointments. When I am in a hire car I have my unit attached to the lower right corner of the windscreen and with the mounting arm I have the GPS is actually not in front of the screen at all. When in my own car I have it in the same place for long trips or just in the console. There is no real need to have the GPS in view as they nearly all have voice commands so you only need to look at them when you are programming your destination. Technically anything that is a visual obstruction is illegal. I recall some years ago that a driver was fined for having something hanging from his rear vision mirror which was a common practice when I was young. How often these days do you see young people with CD’s hanging from their mirrors for fun. Surely the sun reflecting of this type of adournment is dangerous. The fact is nothing should be allowed to impede your vision but a well placed GPS is fine. Common sense people please !!!!!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Re the mounting: you do see idiots with them mounted directly below the r/v mirror. Those deserve every fine they get. In operating terms, I found mine initially distracting – was fascinated by what you could do with it. But I realised it was causing inattention to driving so have now trained myself to use it like the r/v – give it a quick glance but don’t fixate on it while moving. I think they’re a great assist if used responsibly.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
As long as they are mounted sensibly they are suplementary to safe driving – particulary due to our poor road signage.
Using one is much better and safer than trying to look at a street directory while on the move.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Road Rule 297 (2) – that should be adequate. The need for adequate enforcement of that rule needs to be done. I am against those who refuse, avoid, and seek to circumvent taking responsibilities for their own actions.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
I believe that motoring requires a deal of common sense as well as some skill. Mounting the GPS unit requires some planning and I would recommend that the GPS be mounted on the bottom right of the screen in front of the driver. This will minimise the chances of vision be obscured.
I would also recommend that the unit selected have the ability to switch it to ‘night’ use as this minimises the glare from the screen.
I use my GPS unit on a daily basis and find it saves me time, fuel and stess.
Fitting of GPS units into the dashboard is a good idea, but, as with CD/ DVD players, tends to draw the drivers eyes away from the road ahead.
Ever noticed how the younger generation seem to sit directly behind the centre of the CD player?. Cannot be good egonomically.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
The GPS system is a very usefull motoring tool. I first used it watching the sreen but, I now can use it with out looking at the screen by folling the voice instructions. The redirecting capabilitiy of GPS system when you have missed a turn or made an incorrect turn is very usefull and much safer then guissing where you are.
The only negative point I have is that you may have an out of date map and you are directed into a area that no longer exists. Answer – Keep an
up rto date map.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I have had a GPS in my car for the last 5 years, and I have seen some of the worst places to have them mounted ie right in front of the driver, this type of attiude is complete stupidity, if it is mounted properly where it shouldn’t impead normal vision is okay. Once the GPS is programmed in the drive way or in a safe place (not while travelling) then it need not even be looked at or touched again untill the destination is reached. I know it is tempting to look at which is very distracting, but it has voice and it takes time to get use to it. It is probably safer to have it mounted centre screen and low down neart the bottom of the screen, at least if you are tempted to look at it you will still have some visual on the road ahead. It all still remains on the individual to do the right thing when using the GPS
July 10th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
If the GPS is factory fitted I think this is ok as they are designed with safety in mind. Also for those of you who require maps to get around and those who don’t feel the need to stop to look at a map and will do it on the go then it would be useful. The problem is people being in a constant rush to get somewhere in the quickest time.
I feel some personal safety decisions do need to be made. But also remember the other drivers around you. Those screens can be very distracting and there are consequences to this as well. Cars are designed to get you from A to B. All these additional pieces are distractions and remove your focus from the task at hand, no matter what they are. That seems to be the general trend at least.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
For goodness sake, let’s not regulate ANOTHER thing!!
I drive for a living, in fact I just got back from a 1600km trip. I use my GPS everywhere I go and find it invaluable. I travel all over NSW and through almost every country town.
I position my GPS on the far side of my windscreen at the lowest possible spot that I can. It has never obstructed my vision.
People need to use the thing for what it is, an aid. Set it up while stationary and leave it alone and you’ll have nothing to distract you.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Myself using a GPS for a few years. Had it for a little while on the dashboard. Replace it on top of my console and listen to the direction. This is all what you need.
Peter
July 10th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
I have a tom tom and i put it on the drivers side on the edge of the windscreen. If you listen to the directional instructions and occasionaly glance at the screen i find it very good if you are not sure of where you are goeing.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
I was one of those ‘idiots’ that placed their GPS under the rearvision mirror. The reason I did it was so as not to have the charge cord lying across my lap or any of my instruments (i.e. speedo, odo etc). I have only just go my GPS so I am still getting used to where I should position it without it obsuring my vision or interfering with my driving (i.e. cord).
Because of that, I have found myself recently not using my GPS at all. If I need to know where I am going, I tend to just familiarise my self with the location on Google earth before driving. But I would use it again if I had to go some where I didn’t know.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
I have a garmin nuvi 260m i position it on the right hand side up against the wind screen piller and just above the dash board and the cable runs up and under the dash mat and i have very good vision all the time the car i have it fitted to is a 2009 pajero ,we just completed a 6 week 8000 klm trip around out back queensland and i had no problems with vision or using the gps were it was fitted.
john
July 10th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
I do not see the need for people to be actively programming their GPS while driving. Its all about planning you trip and destination before you leave home. People who live in the cities and use their GPS device daily should have their trips progammed in on their GPS. Glancing at the GPS is no different to glancing at the speedo.
What we do not need is another piece of legislation to stop people from using a GPS or navigation device – something its almost a necessity to have these days…
July 10th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
As has been said previously, if a GPS is installed in the middle of the windscreen, yes, it is guaranteed to dangerously obstruct vision. However, I can see no reason why one would need to install a GPS in that position.
As also said, it is much safer to be following the directions given by a GPS rather than a hard-copy street directory. Should there be a law governing where the units can be positioned? Maybe, but maybe simply advising how and where to position them would be beneficial.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Surely there is an existing law that you cannot have your forward vision obstructed that can be used without more legislation. Most people – the majority- would be sensible enough to locate the GPS appropriately. Anyhow I remember a cab ride from Tullarmarine airport into the city along the motorway with the cab driver (I was one of his first fares) looking for Collins Street in his Melways as we hurtled along at 100K/Hour. Plus the few police now out on the road need to focus on major traffic infringements.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Our GPS is positioned in the centre bottom of the windscreen & doesn’t obstruct our view. What difference would it make it there was a rule about using a GPS whilst driving? Even though it is an offence to use a Mobile Phone whilst driving it doesn’t make any difference to some people. I regularly see people holding their phone whilst driving – haven’t they heard of a handsfree kit? What about people who smoke whilst driving? They only have one hand to use? We travelled to Lismore at Easter & found that the speed limit on our GPS was not always correct either.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
The bottom right hand corner of the window is the perfect spot for a GPS. Ideally a GPS with voice. The mirror in my car and the support structures at the edge of the window obscures my view badly – and they’re factory fitted and legal!
The GPS unit however may become obsolete – these features are becoming more and more standard on mobile phones. Mounting phones is often much lower causing the driver to look away from traffic – they also have smaller screens. I think this type of GPS maybe a bigger hazard – OK if used by a passenger, but otherwise it’s has the same risks as texting.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
I’m in full agreement that unit should be located low. Thus it wont obscure vision for most people. In USA they are also debating this issue.
Speed warnings are an excellent feature. Accurate speed readings are great. So many speedos are inaccurate.
On my old GPS, it had option to blank screen over a default speed (maybe 40kph). That mode could be made mandatory for people using an Australian map loaded..
With newer voice instructions there is little need to look at the GPS while driving. (Having map showing can be distracting. The novelty of looking takes a while to wear off. )
July 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
My GPS does not obscure my vision of the road. It does obscure my view of part of the bonnet.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
I use my Navman on the windscreen, on the dash low and slightly left of the steering wheel as a heads up display. This is similiar as they are using in flying. I have found at night and during extreme weather used correctly it makes driving safer. This is because it allows you to concentrate on the road and the traffic in front of you whilst knowing in advance whether the road continues straight or turning left or right gentle or hard. the only indication you do not receive is going up or down.
You still have to concentrate on the road ahead but using the scan system I can maintain knowledge of what is ahead. Using the speed indicator with cruise control I ensure that my speed is within the advised road limit unless conditions do not allow it
July 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Some dot points:
- There is no common sense passed out now days ! All the parents have been stripped of their power to train their kids to be respectful of the RIGHT to have a license. (Sorry, must now go out and hug a tree and repent.)
- Why worry only about GPS in the vision, what about the bling and accessories hanging from the rear view mirror?
- What about people who, through no real fault of their own, cannot see over the steering wheel! Designers should have special seats for height impaired drivers.
- Why don’t they have ‘Power to Weight’ ratio restrictions for P plate drivers like motor bikes?
- Why are 5th wheel units not regulated to have an articulated license. Any (usually old and retired) fool can spend their money and hit the road with no training. DUH!!
I have a GPS, love and use it. I have a Triton so there is plenty of room to place it on top the dash and wedge it with a non-slip mat against the windscreen. I sit high enough that it never obstructs any of the road and I put it away so it does not get stolen. It gives me greater accuracy than my speedo does and Mitsubishi says that the in car unit reading 10k high is within the Australian Standard so they won’t fix it.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
..I’m still rolling on the floor laughing at the comments by Alan on July 9th!!….had us in stitches!..see..there’s humour in every situation!..
July 10th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
If placed responsibly in a position that does not impair the driver’s vision they will not cause accidents.
On the contrary – I am sure GPS systems help avoid accidents as they let drivers know which lane they should be in and where to turn some distance from the turnoff.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
So many postings, all ignoring the fact that the GPS does not SEE the road ahead so it does not need to share windscreen space with a driver. Mine is positioned in the Left side top of the dash, on a no slip mat. Radio signals from sattelites give the information to the GPS which then Translates this into audible directions. From a security aspect the GPS receiver is under the dash cover and can not encourage loss from theft, with smashed windscreen to gain access.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
No there should not be a law. We have too many laws now. The ‘nanny state’ and ‘police state’ has not made the world safer. We need better roads. The taxes have been paid, where are the good roads?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Reply to Peter :
July 9th, 2009 at 5:13 pm, Gday Pete, please let us all know when you are driving on a public road, this is so we don’t travel in the left lane or ride a pushbike on the left or try cross an intersection from your left when you have a give way or stop sign, this is because you wont see us. You will be blinded from seeing anything on the left because you have your GPS directly under your rear vision mirror in the centre of the windscreen. Please don’t have it there when you go for your license test. You will fail.
My GPS is fitted to the base mounting which is semi-permanently fitted to the top of the dash, no suction cups. removable from the car in 20 seconds, does not obstruct any view through the windscreen. can be seen by my passenger who helps with navigation. it has Blue tooth as well, so she can use the phone and answer calls.
common sense is needed in all use.
regards.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
I think the art of using a map is sadly going the way of the Thylacine. I’m actually astonished that so many people put their trust in an electronic device. When travelling, I like to know exactly where I’m going, and to be in control of my destiny.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
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http://www.gadgetguy.com.au/article.asp?m_article=6919
July 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
It’s all bollocks! A satnav unit at eye level is a lot safer to use than a map in your lap or held precariously to the steering wheel. The voice guidance provided by the satnav allows the driver to concentrate more than a map does. If the satnav is placed at dash level it will not impair forward vision for most drivers.
In any case, why is it legal for a driver to eat, smoke, use a 2-way radio of various sorts, operate a media player of various sorts but not operate a hand-held mobile telephone that has similar characteristics. Making a hands-free call on a dash mounted phone requires more “eyes off the road” than for a similar hand-held operation, unless you use voice activation – which is too complicated for most of us.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I have on a number of occasions driven cars with GPS navigations set up on the windscreen or on the side of the windscreen,this does not seem to be a problem at all due to it being about the size of a rear vision mirror sometimes smaller then the mirror itself and have not found,that at any time does it obscure my vision.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
I drive a Toyota Troopy and have the GPS mounted in front of the passenger, so that it does not obstruct my view and is too far away to be tempted to try to do anything to it whilst on the move. When I have a passenger they can play with it if necessary – when I am alone it talks to me and allows me to concentrate on driving and still not get lost.
I would warn people not to trust it totally in country areas, though – you may find yourself turning on to farm tracks that are shown as gazetted roads, but do not really exist on the ground!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
I add my voice to those who place the GPS screen in the bottom right hand corner of the windscreen- no impediment and no hindrance to the view. We certainly don’t need more driving restrictions ; what we need id more common sense and more courtesy
Bob
July 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
As other people have commented, the GPS unit is quite ok mounted on the windscreen, although I leave my Garmin in the centre console & listen to the instructions, which I find quite sufficient to get me around – it hasn’t let me down yet. I don’t like mounting it on the windscreen due to the theft option, which I suppose will be solved once the car makers eventually put GPS units in all their cars.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
What a load of rubbish. I’m ashamed to be making a contribution. I could care less where people put the GPS unit. If they are put it in a stupid position it’s up to them. I don’t want is more instances of the nanny state telling me how to suck eggs.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
On the one occasion I did use a GPS I actually found it really annoying and distracted me from concentrating on driving, although I can understand why people in Sydney in particular like to use GPS’ as the street signage is absolutely atrocious when compared with European and most Asian countries. Also the road numbering system in NSW is, by world standards, inconsistent, deficient and difficult to follow, so it is little wonder why people choose to use a GPS. It would be a really big help if the NSW government simply adopted a sensible road numbering system similar to the UK, Tasmania or Victoria.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
I’m fed up with being stuck behind people on a long straight stretch of road (eg: M4) with limited side streets that still find it essential to stay in the right lane, 30-40k under the limit with their eyes glued to the screen. More annoying is coming up behind a 4×4 with a DVD of hard core porn visible through the back window. DVD playes should not be allowed as a fixture. You have windows, look out of them.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
there is no need to have the gps mounted on the screen. after i set the unit up i put it on the vacant seat beside me or on the bottom console.
the unit works fine. you do not need to see the unit visually as it runs through the prompts orally which in turn renders the unit on the windscreen as a hindrance and of no need, unless you have a hearing problem.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Nos from Maroubra said, “Unfortunately, most motorists who do the right thing are being over-regulated because the law makers set the rules based on the lowest common denominator – the few idiot drivers.”
Ain’t that the truth!? And what’s even more aggravating is that the idiots ignore all the rules anyway, and there are so few police on the roads that they always get away with it except when they wrap themselves around trees and poles.
The only time I see all drivers doing the right thing is as they pass speed cameras, which are the NSW government’s cheap revenue-making replacement for the Highway Patrol.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
If the GPS is positioned as foolishly (dead centre of driver’s vision) as the NRMA has positioned it in the lead-in to this survey (the page prior to this survey), then it is a problem. Otherwise, common sense sees it placed more sensibly and the devices reduce the need to scan street signs or maps while driving, therefore are safer.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
I think the issues have been pretty well covered. On balance they provide information to the driver in a way that is far less distracting and devoid of the emotional content that can really cause driver error. I refer to the often tense driver to wife-passenger-navigator discussions about a missed turn.
They can also remain on and alert to the need to change direction or monitor speed on long trips where the passenger-navigator might be snoozing or otherwise not focussed on navigating. I have used them and find them enormously comforting in a strange city, especially on those occasions where road changes/accident etc requires an unplanned change of route.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
I all comes down to common sense. Whilst some comments mention they are no worse than eTag and registration labels, they at least should be in locations that do not impede vision (and lets not forget all those dingle dangle things that some people hang off their rear vision mirrors). Yet it seems that GPS units are unnecessarily mounted squarely in the middle of the windscreen. Is this just to show everyone that they have a GPS? GPS sytems are great and they have a wealth of benefits, particularly those with voice directions, but unfortunately there is the lowest common denominator who spoil it for all who behave responsibility. if it means legislation, so be it, then there’s no excuse.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
I have our GPS built in our Berlina apart from the cost I am happy with it however it is out of date from the day you get it and the cost to update it is outrageous.
GPS should be built into cars by factory and one screen should be multi tasking. I would not place a GPS on the windscreen as this is dangerous
July 10th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Curly…….please explain what the numbering system is in Victora/Tasmania as i did not know there was a difference to to us here in NSW
Cheers.
Your spot on BOB in regards to the cheap revenue making relacement.
Alan from JULY9 get a remote control for your GPS change accent to an AUSSIE one
July 10th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
I was against the opportunity to operate the GPS while driving when I had missed an exit and felt panicky because I could not stop on the freeway and find my bearings. The PGS talked to me but I needed to orientate myself.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
As long as you don’t operate them whilst driving they are fine. How hard is it to put you destination in before you drive off??
You can’t rely on the voice alone to guide you as the voice speaks when you are usually upon your turn & it is then too late to change lanes or slow down.
If you look at the screen, the arrow display for your turn makes it easier to know which lane to be in etc.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
I use my GPS (TomTom) with a vent mount which I bought fairly cheaply on E-Bay. It is easy to view without restricting windscreen vision and significantly reduces the impact of sun glare on the GPS screen.
We travel often to Europe and take the vent mount as it easily fits to most rental cars we have used.
I believe a GPS is a must for anyone driving in a major overseas country.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
If positioned properly GPS is very useful, and it takes pressure of concentrating hard on turnoffs ahead. The driver can concentrate better on the imediate situation in front. The destinations can be set up prior to departure, so there is no need to adjust anything during the trip unless a change of route is required. It takes a while to get used to it, and looking st the display screen does not take more of ones attention than glimpse on the rear mirror. Good gadget to have!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
I think they are marvellous. As long as people put them somewhere that does not obstruct vision that is fine. They are ESSENTIAL if overseas.
When driving alone they prevent getting lost and frequent stopping to consult the road directory – Now how many collisions does that cause? Dont even suggest having to licence them or the like otherwise they will be just another method of milking the motorist for money for NO benefit.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
For an argument free journey, use a GPS (not your wife). Common sense or a new pair of glasses should dictate its position. But don’t be surprised if it is impossible to see the screen if it is in bright sunlight and keep your sense of humour when it sends you up a one way street.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
We purchased a GPS unit in February this year to use on our holiday to Tassie. I had been looking around for quite a while for the best unit to suit our needs and found it in the MIO 360. This unit payed for its self on the second day of travel when we arrived in Melbourne, a city we had never been to. I had set the coordinates to Port Melbourne to meet up with the Spirit of Tasmania. As we neared on turn off on the freeway the heavens opened and to top that off there was a Semi Trailer over turned on the exit ramp we needed to use. However there was no need to panic our GPS came to the rescue and redirected us around the accident scene. Great…
The good thing about my unit the suction cup holder fits neatly on the glass panel of the radio in my car, leaving the window clear of any obstructions. Yeah it covers the radio display some what, but I’m use to where and what the radio display says.
My GPS does not allow you to use it whilst driving and I do think new laws should be made to govern the use and placement of such portable units. Because lets face it some of the places where people place their units are just down right stupid and dangerous.
Thanks…
July 11th, 2009 at 12:33 am
I have found the GPS to have been worth every cent I paid for it, if only to save the marriage (due to a non driving navigator).
I mount my GPS to the right side window and position it to just above the dash board, effectively adding ‘just’ another instrument display. As this area is an ‘almost blind’ spot (due to the car construction) it really has no effect on visability. It has become routine to scan the GPS in much the same way you scan the rear view mirrors and other instruments. I agree with others that it provides extra safety factors such as alerts to exceeding speed limits.
If I were to give any advice, and others have mentioned these, it would be not to play with the GPS while driving (ended up going around in circles at Cairns when I accidently set a Sydney destination) and use it on all those regular trips before you go into foriegn territory so that you become familiar with the GPS while finding out what little idiocincracies your particular brand can come up with.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:25 am
Mine is on the dash and does not obscure the windscreen at all. It also has limited controls avalable while driving. If a P plater ran up the back of a car while using a GPS, it says far more about the P driver than any GPS unit. They should be restricted to not being able to use GPS’s or phones or CD units or Ipods while driving until they get a bit of common sense. I’m sure the rest of us will be able to fend for ourselves. While they are at it, ban P platers from having passengers and being out at night. As Edy says in ABFAB, just ban the stupid people.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:12 am
It’s amazing how many people will ignore the negative and brings the positive as their own.
Perhaps we do or don’t do the right thing with them (gps) but just looking around to what is going on with the hand held phone I can imagine what people will do with gps, ok some will “refrain” almost like a well trained dog that suddenly crosses the road!
Then “we don’t want more rules, down with the communists” You just look at what happens as soon rules are relaxed or not brought into new behaviour. it’s a fact not just statistics.
Then Are GPS good things, I think they’re wonderful and so smart even with lot of room for improvement such as learning new ways. But I think they should be regularised – (Why is the spell check american, do we regularizzze in Australia???) – and subject to accreditation. I would miss the visual but it stands to reason that voice only would be a lot safer. Voice command could be the other solution providing it’d work well.
And once again some will cope with multitasking but some will definitely put themselves and other at risk. It’s difficult to see a way to set people apart So we get no law or a law for everyone of which neither is really good.
So I’d have guide line to build GPS, and perhaps I’d opt for voice only.
However I think it’s peculiar when we start to make so much out of GPS but don’t mind having all this cluttering of signs and advertising along our streets and road that it is so difficult to find your way in a new area, surely this would also contribute to lot of accidents
July 11th, 2009 at 9:12 am
I have just completed two loops of travel for my work of over 1,000 Km each, most of which was in areas not travelled regularly and to specific destination not visited before. My Navman is mounted to the bottom right hand side of my windscreen, where I can look around it, but it is still in the corner of my eye when driving.
Like others who have responded, I appreciate the spoken directions, especially when in a strange area and you don’t have the need to be craning around looking for often obscured street signs to find which way to turn next. The most important thing I have found in this last couple of weeks is the ability to know, beforehand, what is coming up on the road ahead, especially when driving on unfamiliar roads at night.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:21 am
I keep my GPS on the seat next to me as I don’t have time to look at it. I am surprised people can take the time to look away from the road. My GPS gives me sufficient information regards any of the instructions with plenty of time to make the relevant lane changes or turns.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Just the same as the issue of hanging large items from the centre inside rear view mirror being an obstruction to sight, so to are GPS and similar devices …. when put in the middle of the screen. As a cyclist, motorcyclist and car driver in sydney traffic I see most GPS are kept down out of the line of sight. But then there are those (depletive deleted) who mount them up high, either to the centre or adjacent to the A-pillar.
Oh for a return to annual registration inspections for all cars so the certifying agent can pick up on this issue.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:33 am
I dont think that the actual GSP unit is much of a vision restriction in itself but trying to view the screen or set the unit whilst driving is a differnt matter. Cant see that it is any different to using a mobile or trying to read a map whilst driving (a diversion of concentration). Sure I have used them and they are handy in unfamiliar teritory. Used one in London and Paris. Have also used one in areas that I know and have found that quite oten they try to guide you along some very strange routes. I guess it would be better to know generally where you are going before setting out but good for finding odd back streets in the suburbs especialy when there is no signage.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:17 am
there no should be issue with GPS use, the destination should be set whilst stationary and placed in an area where the driver need only avert their eyes a minute distance from the road, like checking the speedo. GPS when properly configured can warn the driver of overspeed, camera approaching as it is sometimes difficult to know there has been a change in speed due to roadworks or other issues. One thing that must never occur is that the driver should alter the gps while the vehicle is in motion. this is the same as using a mobile phone ie texting as the vehicle is in motion otherwise the gps is an invaluable tool which gives the driver confidence and verbal audible direction whilst enroute. I believe that GPS should be further developed and improved to further the confidence of drivers as well as the conformity to changing conditions
ed
July 11th, 2009 at 10:40 am
1) Even windscreen repairers wont fix a stone-chip if it is deemed to be in-line-of-sight, aided by a template on the screen. So why do some drivers (very small minority) fit them there? Also thats why they ask of motorists to place eTAG receivers behind the central rear view mirror.
2) Drivers aid? Maybe the wording needs to be reviewed on that one. There is also reverse cameras, that is an aid mainly for trucks/coaches/
buses and are not mounted near the windscreen, the truck inspectors are very stringent in there rule books. Also depends on what catagory is GPS systems as a ‘drivers aid’ (something for the legal eagles to figure out).
3) In my auto electrical training, it was stated that no audio’visual’ devices (TV’s/DVD’s) should be visible in front of drivers view. So why are there sterio’s with inbuilt DVD’s sold on the aftermarket?
4) Finally, what happened to good old fashion ‘COMMON SENCE’.Well maybe once again they will need to review the laws of GPS placement and usage, either audio, visual or both. Dont get me wrong it (GPS) is a wonderful tool for couriers, taxi’s, emergency responders and frequent users alike, so we need to come up with a solution to this problem.
Just another thought, why do people still have there ‘MOBILE PHONES’ stuck to there ear whilst driving? It’s ‘ILLEGAL’ and ‘DANGEROUS’, and I still see people everyday. Maybe I should become a copper, I’ll be rich on that alone.
July 11th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Why is it that we have our own GPS in the correct position but everybody else doesn’t? There are enough traffic laws, rules and regulations in force to allow Police to prosecute drivers if they cause an accident due to using a GPS. PLEASE, NO MORE! What are we doing to ourselves?
July 11th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Please! Lets have no more rules the GPS is a God send to those of us that
need it to get out of the house. I would be house bound if I did not have my GPS to get me to places since my husband passed away.
Some of us just can not read the MELWAYS while we are driving…….
July 11th, 2009 at 11:39 am
I THINK IF YOU ARE SENSIBLE AND HAVE HALF A BRAIN THEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE A GPS IN THE CAR. OF COURSE YOU DONT HAVE IT IN YOUR LINE OF VISION , BUT YOU HAVE IT SO YOU DONT NEED TO LOOK AWAY FROM THE ROAD . I WOULD BE TOTALLY LOST WITHOUT MINE LITERALLY AND I ONLY LET IT TELL ME WHERE I HAVE TO GO SO I NEVER NEED TO LOOK AT THE GPS AT ALL .
July 11th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Initially they can be distracting, however after a short time they are like any other instrument, requiring only a quick glance to get the info you need. Text to voice translation is even better as you do not have to watch the unit for directions but can concentrate on looking for specific street signs or road features.
One of the most useful functions for me is the distance to the next decision point. If I know I have, say, 10k to the next direction change, I can relax for several minutes and just follow the road I am on. If, on the other hand, I see I have to make a direction change in 600m, I know I have to be alert for the turn.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
GPS much more safe than MOBIL PHONE.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
it all depends on how you use it – I find positioning of where the GPS unit will be displayed an important factor – I choose to place my GPS towards the bottom of the windscreen (almost literally sitting on the dashboard) and near the middle of the windscreen with (in a toyota echo/yaris – this places it next to the visual speedo display that you look at anyways)
Either on or in the dashboard I find is the best placement zone for a gps or to either side of the steering wheel (aboce centre console or down near the side mirror)
Having a good GPS unit is a factor too – have one that you can set the destination and it auto re-maps your route without needing to adjust it if you miss a turn while driving. If used correctly you shouldn’t have a need to touch it while the vehicle is moving.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
A GPS should be considered an essential navigation device!
While a road map or directory could be used to become familiar with the location one is heading in, it should not be used while on the move.
This is where a voice active GPS comes into its own. The audible trail is normally able to be follows without sighting the screen particularly where there is significant traffic to negotiate.
However, there are times when the screen should be consulted. But, I have found this no more dangerous than glancing in the rear vision mirrors.
Position can be important and I have found it relates more to the vehicle being driven. In my MX5 I find it must be mounted in front of the passages view inclined to the middle to prevent road view obstruction. Although in my Pajero on the other had, it is mounted just left of the instrument cowl where it blocks nothing of the view ahead. Seat height must be a consideration.
Most models now will even operate when sitting on the passage seat so if windscreen mounted, keep it as low as passable. It will still see the satellites OK.
There is also one very important point to be considered. Don’t instantly react to the instruction given. I once found myself approaching a busy 6 lane intersection in an unfamiliar area. While in the far left lane I was instructed to turn right at a short distance DONT.
The god send of a GPS is it can redirect you safely not far from where you are. It is wiser to ear on the side of safety than cause an accident in trying to accomplish what the GPS advises.
Enjoy!
July 11th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I use a GPS regularly and fix it low on the centre of the windscreen, just above the dashboard. In that position it is easy to refer to and I have never had a problem with it restricting my vision of the road.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Many people have mentioned “common sense” however common sense is not all that common.
Too often GPS and other items are placed in positions where vision (both direct and periferral) are effected.
In a lot of cases operating a GPS while driving is no different to operating a mobile phone, as it requires precise operation, needing the driver to look away from the main task of guiding their vehicle safely.
Regulation has little impact as enforcement is minimal, after-all there are bigger issues to address.
However the whole issue will start to change when (and if) an accident victim has the time and resources to mount a civil case in court, claiming the offending driver did not exercise a duty of care by deliberately mounting an obstruction whichprevented the driver from having proper control of their car.
July 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Phill..What would the point of the annual inspections be for?The GPS would be removed for your sugestion.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
I don’t have a GPS yet, but I’ve certainly learnt a lot from reading about other people’s experiences. Thanks everyone! I’m a very short person, and I ‘built up’ the driver’s seat and lowered the steering wheel – I felt more secure and in control after that. It would appear that the bottom right hand side is the safest place to install it. The benefit of voice prompts plus letting you know if you’re over the speed limit would be a great bonus. I’ve often felt distracted looking for a turn off, so I’m sure a GPS would eliminate this – must be safer. (I’m sure on occasions I’ve annoyed someone behind me?)Being given ample warning to change lanes etc sounds good too!
I don’t answer my mobile phone while driving. It doesn’t ring very long anyway, so I wait until I can pull up. If it’s urgent people will ring back, or I’ll ring them? Incidently, do people realise that you must have your engine TURNED OFF while using a mobile – stopping isn’t good enough apparently. I heard this from someone who was booked!
Is it better to buy an expensive GPS, or do those that cost $200-$300 function well too, including letting you know if you’re over the speed limit!
July 11th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
I consider them to be like mobile phones – very dangerous unless using with voiceover as in hands free with mobile phones – especially in city traffic.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
I have found the GPS to be an excellent assisting device when travelling to lesser known destinations.
Please give the motorist some credit for common sense about mounting it where it will not obstruct the fundamental view of other traffic.
It does need to be visible to get all the required information to assist as much as possible. Were it to be put in an obscure place, the driver would be distracted looking away from other traffic to view it. All the information does not come over its sound system.
I am at present overseeing my grandson who is on his “Ls”.
I find if it is on the windscreen slightly on the passemger side, I can use it monitor his speed. Whereas trying to see the speedo is just about impossible.
I would hate to see them regulated by the RTA.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
A GPS can easily identify that it is or isn’t moving, so it should be simple enough to prevent them being programed while in motion.
As for their placement, sadly I believe we will need laws. Commonsense just doesn’t make the grade, afetr all if commonsense did apply would we need laws to prevent people SMS’ing while in traffic?
July 11th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
I’ve had a GPS for a year now, and find it most useful finding my way around (without sitting a street directory on my lap) and particularly as a speed warning device. It also doubles as an accurate speedometer, so I know the actual speed I’m doing rather than what the inbuilt speedo indicates with it’s 5% to 10% error.
Re positioning, I attach it to the bottom of the windscreen towards the passenger’s side, where it doesn’t obstruct my view at all, and I can still see it easily. This positioning makes it easy for a passenger to reprogram it if necessary, but I usually set it up before I leave.
Overall, extremely useful device, no safety issues, a speed monitor, and no visual obstruction.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
I purchased an attachment that clips into the air vents in the dash to hold my GPS, from E-Bay eliminating blind spots and its out of the sun and easy to read.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
My main problem with GPS units is that some people choose to mount them directly in their line of vision…..one comment made by a friend who saw one mounted like this was “that it was as if the driver believed he could drive purely via the GPS”.
There is legislation on what can be placed on your windscreen, and whether or not it is considered an obstruction (depending on its position)….i think this should be applied for GPS units as well as anything the legislation already covers (like rego stickers and window tint)
Most GPS units have the facility for an external antenna too…..so the unit itself can be mounted anywhere in the car, and the external antenna roof mounted….then have the unit set up to alert you of everything audibly…
my preference would be to mount one in the glovebox or an overhead roof console, fit the external antenna, and fit a small external speaker above my head if necessary, or if the device has the bluetooth support for it, to use an in ear bluetooth kit….
July 11th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
To Liz45, I think even the cheapest GPS units will do all the things you want, like speeding and ‘safety’ camera warnings in addition to basically guiding you to where you want to go and displaying speed/speed limits etc. You’ll have to pay more if you want extras like Bluetooth and text-to-speech conversion for street names etc.
For example, me and one of my mates have both got bottom of the range Tomtoms (One V3) and we’re delighted with how well they do their job. We’ve found that they’re much better than having a person sitting in the passenger seat with a map, and you can choose from a vast variety of voices too.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:30 am
I find the GPS’s a great driving aid when I am trying to find a POI or address, it allows me to think ahead, being in the right lane as I will have to turn right further along, rather missing the sign & or seeing it at the last minute & jumping across 3 lanes & driving slow as looking for a street not paying enough attention to what’s happening on the road & looking at the UBD whilst driving & or at light isn’t the safest practise either. No N plate for new to the area or city so as to warn traffic & pedestrians
Therefore I believe that using a GPS correctly (setting it up & setting destinations stops before driving) can make you/me a safer driver.
Lastly may help the environment by safing petrol & reduce traffic by finding faster routes & preventing people from getting lost & driving around needlessly trying to find an address & because I am a man I will never ask for directions no matter how lost I am.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Using visual GPS should not be permitted while driving. It has to be at least as dangerous as using a mobile phone, which is banned. Looking at the GPS map takes the eyes off the road for far too long. To argue that drivers otherwise consult a mapbook, or others change CDs is beside the point, the first is illegal already, and the second should be if it is shown to be dangerous.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I cant see any problem with GPS’s mounted on the windscreen so long as its mounted so as to not obscure the drives view. I have mine mounted and the only thing I cant see is part of the bonnet of the car.
I have been driving for 43 years and at long last I can drive around in Cities with out having the added pressure of not knowing when or where the next turns are. I dont have to take my eyes off the road only need to listen to the voice instructions which I feel leaves me to consontrate on the traffic around me.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Like any distraction no matter how user friendly they still detract from your driving ability, and should only be used by a navigator, if more drivers paid strict attention to th road and prevailing conditions there would be less accidents.
July 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Mine is built in so it does not restrict vision at all. However, it is as much a distraction to driving as a phone, the radio or granchild.
We have far too many rules now that cannot be policed. What we need is vastly imrpoved driver education, including continuing education ofr older drivers.
July 12th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
I started off using a Navman for about 2 yrs and now use Nokia mobile phone. Always mounted on the windscreen. A quick glance advises where the next turn is and therefore prompts one to move into the correct lane with plenty of time to do so. I program the destination before setting off. They are definitely not distractions nor do they obstruct the view of the road.
Before banning GPS devices being placed on windscreens I believe we should those other in-car distractions; eating, smoking, drinking, using the rear view mirror for personal grooming, looking at the passenger while chatting to them, trying to calm the kids in the back seat, etc.
Where will it all end, with the driver sitting in a capsule, isolated from passengers, and banned from looking at or touching anything not directly involved with controlling the car? Even then it will not address the real issue of safe driving; attitude.
It’s the way a driver reacts to situations that determines a safe driver. When govt’s get the courage to test potential drivers attitudes then we’ll see major reductions in road traumas.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Common sense. There is no such thing so like hand held phones let’s regulate where they are placed and when and how they are to be used.
However that will need more actual police on the road looking out for offenders. At the moment, in the ACT, lot’s of people are still using hand held phones whilst driving and lot’s of drivers are not indicating before turns. Where are the police?
July 13th, 2009 at 7:46 am
We have a mobile GPS in one vehicle mounted to the top of the windscreen directly under the rearview mirror and in another vehicle we have a built-in one on the top of the dash. The mobile one is so much safer to view and does not restrict road view, compared to the built-in one which requires looking down at the dash. We much prefer the mobile GPS and regret all the extra money spent on the built-in one. A big advantage of the mobile one is that you can take it out and sit in comfort in the house to program journeys etc this also means you aren’t trying to do this at the last minute before leaving home. The mobile version is so much safer and cheaper!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 10:57 am
I am looking into purchasing a GPS at the moment and the mounting location has been part of the process. I see no reason to mount it on the windscreen or within normal driving sight. Use the audio features for warnings etc.
I imagine they are a distraction as you may be looking at the GPS screen rather than the road.
Windscreen mounting would mainly be for signal strength, and an external aerial can (should) be used for a decent signal (repeaters are available – $70)
July 13th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
I use my GPS device in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, out of view from the main road ahead so if anything people should be recommended to put the GPS device in that location.
Banning the device would be a terrible idea… I’d consider suing any body that brought in that law, for a refund of the device and court expenses and any other emotional damages should they want to excercise their stupidity and make it law.
Its as illogical as banning street directories, car radios/stereos, and here is another stupid one… passengers… passengers in the car are more dangerous as they divert my attention with their conversations when I should be paying attention to the road… thought of some more distractions, hands free kits because you need to look at your phone to dial… MP3 players such as iPods etc because you look at the device to change tracks several times during a trip so thats not safe.
I wonder then, who can save us from such laws? Maybe its safer to just sit at home and not go anywhere?
July 13th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
I was driving in Canberra on the weekend, was pulled over and warned not to adjust my GPS as its an offence to adjust/use any electronic device whilst driving.I explained to the Officer I was only turning the screen toward me for a better look,however he was adament it was against the law to use/adjust an electronis device whilst driving, has anyone else had this happen to them?
July 13th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
I mount my TomTom to the bottom center of my windscreen and I have never had any problems with it obstructing my vision of the road.
For me it is an important safety feature as I don’t have to worry about when that turn is coming up or read the map wrong and have to change lanes because I need to turn left instead of right. I also don’t need to refer to notes on how to get where I’m going as I did in the past, or my UBD.
I think people use their judgement as to where to place them and a lot of it depends on the type of vehicle you are driving and the height of the driver as to where is safest.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
They should have the same rules for setting as for the use of mobile phones.But if you come from Newcastle or lake Macquarie the mobile rules don’t seem to apply!
July 13th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
I believe a GPS is yet another distraction for the driver although at least it also provides the driver with useful information. I believe there should be rules governing their placement in the vehicle and their use. I am amazed by the number of drivers that find it necessary to have their GPS operating during what is presumably their daily commute.
Of greater concern to me is the pointless distractions many insist on fitting to their cars. A common sight these days is the dangling (usually reflective) decorations hanging from the rear view mirror. Not only do these partially obstruct the driver’s view, but their constant swinging movement can prevent the driver from detecting movement in their peripheral vision, movement such as a child running onto the road. Such decorations in vehicles should be banned.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I am a delivery driver and I use a GPS most of the time because I go to different places every day. As a lot of suburbs are stupidly designed,I might have to make 20 or 30 turns to get to a particular address so the UBD is of no use in these situations unless I stop 10 times to check (wasting time).Placement is a big deal,mine is lower right windscreen but I see so many in the middle of the screen(idiots).Drive safe.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
I have used a GPS for about four years now. The GPS is a safety device as far as I am concerned. You do not have to look for streets or street signs and be distracted from watching the surrounding traffic. Likewise when on a country trip on roads with minimal signposting, you don’t need to slow down at each intersection to check if this is the turn to take as you get near to your next turn-off.
The greatest bonus is of course is the use of the GPS as a marital aid. Not that sort of a marital aid silly, but a preventer of torrid disputes over map reading and navigation. Many of our friends to having some of their most heated arguements over mapreading and navigation on trips.
The GPS is a great aid to safe and stress free driving. Those showing the current speed limit are paricularly helpful.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Phil: You are so right!! “When govt’s get the courage to test potential drivers attitudes then we’ll see major reductions in road traumas.”
The authorities don’t let immature risk-taking hoons fly aircraft, because they hold people’s lives in their hands. Yet there’s nothing to stop aggressive 20 year olds from getting into hot cars, ignoring all the road laws and putting not only themselves at risk but everyone else. We all encounter them every day on the roads. I got tailgated by one last night until I pulled over to let him roar past, way over the speed limit.
The whole business of getting a driver’s licence needs to change in a big way so that only responsible people are allowed to drive. But that would be too hard for the RTA. Easier and cheaper to put constantly changing speed limits and speed cameras everywhere, and it makes more revenue from fines.
Getting back to GPSs, a responsible person will only glance at it occasionally, the same as with the other instruments. Anyone who lets a GPS seriously distract them, or is stupid enough to put it in the middle of the windscreen, shouldn’t have a driver’s licence.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
The correct position for a removeable GPS is where the driver can see it without interfering with visibility.
Low, in the centre of the windscreen allows power and the passenger to see the screen, it does not obscure the left hand view. Low Directly in front of the driver does not affect visibility or be a distraction, it just becomes part of the field of view. Low near the pillar on the RHS also suits some drivers.
Note that if the GPS unit is angled to the direction of travel, the speed readings can be slightly erroneous. For those that rely on voice commands, fine but I like to see what is coming up. When taught to drive we learn to check forward visibility, rear vision mirrors, what is to the left and right and the interior instrumentation. This involves continual refocussing as part of normal driving and provides the driver awareness.
GPS ? A great boon to the driver and a ‘marriage saver”.
Mobile phone screens such as the Nokia are too small to be useable visually.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:42 am
I think there should be a crack down by Police, people putting them in the middle of the windscreen is ridiculous and unsafe as it clearly obscures your vision. As an aside if you are to fit aftermarket guages to a car on the dash or A pillar then Police actively target you as a car hoon and law breaker citing the obscured vision and Non ADR compliant garbage, so it is about time mainstream car owners feel the long arm of the law as well. I doubt it will happen though as it is always easier to target the minority groups like modified car owners, not all of us are hoons people!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Where is comment by the NSW Police Dept????? They have to enforce the rules so let us know what their take on this is!!
July 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
As a motorbike rider, I am regularly frustrated and annoyed at drivers who have difficulty concentrating on their driving, let alone coping with any distraction such as mobile phones and/or GPSs.
I’m sure that generally they are a convenience, but are also a significant hazard.
I wonder if traffic investigation teams consider what role these devices play in collisions (not accidents!), and if there is any statistical evidence showing what risk increases there are with drivers playing with phones & GPSs. My observations would indicate that they are a growing cause of collisions and traffic violations.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
2 issues ehre,
1. GPS obstructing the drivers view.
This should follow the same rules that apply for placing stickers on the windscreen.
there are certain definitions, 10% from top, etc. that seem fine and can be applied to placement of the GPS.
I do feel that even the rules regarding stickers are not sufficient as some parking facilities enforce sticking the parking sticker on the windscreen.
2. Actual use of the GPS.
If you are just listening to the direction as I usually use it then this is less of a visual distraction but can sometimes cause confusion as the GPS may not indicate the correct lanes or make say ‘Bear Left’ when it is actually a “turn Left”, etc.
Visually this can be more of a distraction but again if users just glance down then it is no different than looking at the speedometer.
BUT GPS routes should be planned and viewed in advance rather than blindly following the GPS.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:45 am
I am using a nokia 95 telephone sitting in a depersion near the lighter fitting and have obstruction problem
I follow the voice instructions and only ever look at the display screeen when stopped at trafic lijhts and if required to clarify a flawed instruction or check on the map of the area I am travelling
I always use my common sense, knowledge of the route and ignore any flawed instruction
I found that the GPS should be used as an aid but not substiture for good driving and observing road signs and warnings
The GPS instructions do distract drivers and can lead to accidents.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:57 am
I find the GPS doesn’t block my view of the road & is helpful in finding places in city but on some out back roads & places it gives some difference locations to where you actual drive. Speed wise tells at over speeding at maxium 100 as set but in towns doesn’t show town speeds. I think they should be stanard in cars (buildt into dash).
July 15th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
No I dont think so. It does not impair ability to have a clear vision.
July 16th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Far too many distractions in cars! GPS is good for checking speed. Maps are good for finding directions. During extensive travel in 3 states, my gps wanted to take us on some stupid routes, and can’t find addresses that are long established.
Windscreen mounting is not ideal, screens are too far away in modern cars. The GPS manufactures need to do some research on different mounts so that one does not have to reach forward so far. Overall a pretty useless toy.
July 16th, 2009 at 9:37 am
As I’m tall, and I mount my GPS in the lower right corner of the windscreen, it does not obstruct my view of the road. It’s certainly safer than driving with a UBD on my lap.
I also mount the GPS to my scooter – the main reason I bought it – certainly makes knowing where I’m going on the scooter a LOT easier.
My only gripe is it warns me about school zones outside of school zone times…7 days a week!
July 16th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I have my GPS mounted at the lower right corner of the windscreen next to the instrument consol. In this position it does not obstruct the view out of the vehicle as the A-Pillar is on one side and the dash on the other. In this position it is line of sight with the instuments so when you do a quick scan of your dash (which should be done every few seconds – speed, warning lights, etc) I scan the GPS too. It is also on the same level as my wing mirrors, so the GPS is included with the quick scan of them too. When set up properly before a trip, it shouldn’t be touched during the journey. However, if the need arises, it is close to the steering wheel and can be easily seen in peripheral vision without taking my eyes off the road.
They are no longer a ‘really nice to have’ gadget, they save time, money (fuel, particularly with cruise control & speeding fines), reduce stress in driving in unfamiliar surroundings (voice guidance), and when placed properly in the vehicle impede vision no more than pillars and no more distraction than children fighting in the back seat.
July 16th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Newer cars with steeply raked windscreens make it impractical to fix the GPS at the base of the windscreen near the dashboard.
I’ve chosen to place mine directly under the rear view mirror. I find it doesn’t obstruct my view there.
Anyway, it can’t be any worse than the amount of gadgets / ID plates / stickers i’ve seen fitted in a taxi!
July 16th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I’ve been using a GPS since they were first released. I have found that if the unit is placed on the lower right hand corner of the windscreen vision is not impeded. It also allows for right hand operation and allows for quick adjustment when stationery.
However, on a another topic with GPS. I am semi retired and work as a security guard three nights a week. I am amazed at the amount of drivers who leave their GPS on the windscreen of their vehicles. You might as well place a sign on the vehicle saying “PLEASE BREAK IN & TAKE MY GPS.”
Drivers-think before you leave your vehicles these electronic items are not cheap to purchase and are a very inviting item for the taking for the lest than honest in society.
Tony Shedden
Speers Point NSW
July 17th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
I think that the GPS is an excellent tool and as Bob I have placed mine in the bottom right corner of the windscreen where it does not obstruct my vision whilst driving, in the postion I do not have to turn my head to see where the device is and where to turn. I use mine for work and private and won’t leave home without it ( I know I’m getting lazy )People who place them in the middle are asking for an accident to happen. It becomes a distraction to adjust the settings even when stopped at lights.
July 18th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
I have been using a gps for the last 3-4 years and I cant say it has restricted my vision.
In some instances I would say it isn’t safe to operate them, but the last thing we need is another law to cover what should be an issue of common sense. I mean how far do you take it? Will we have laws to stop people adjusting the radio, or for adjusting mirrors, seats and so on?
More training is needed, so people who have little or no common sense are able to make informed and safe decisions whilst driving.
July 18th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Firstly, distraction? They are less distracting than a car stereo/radio. Ban them if you have to ban something! At least then the driver would be able to hear the sounds of their vehicle and surrounding road. Someone I knew had the volume up so high that they could not hear the siren of the police vehicle trying to pull them over – it should be illegal to have anything capable of that volume fitted!
Secondly, vision? They impede vision very little if correctly placed. Existing laws cover those stupid enough to place them in locations that severely impact upon vision. I have a 15 year old sedan which has far better all round visibility than any of the new cars in my employers fleet (several hundred late model cars of all makes). The visibility from some of them is so poor that I am astounded how they are considered roadworthy. That needs addressing more than GPS units.
Thirdly, Road Safety? I won’t repeat the numerous reasons others have listed above – GPS units are definitely an improvement to safety. If any laws need passing regarding GPS’s, it is that they should be compulsory equipment. And fitted in a prominent place where they can easily be seen at a glance – not in the dashboard.
July 19th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
I truly believe – from personal experience and other drivers – that the optimal location for placement of a GPS is at the top of the windscreen, adjacent to the rear vision mirror. In this way, drivers do not forget to check the rear vision mirror regularly, with only a cursory glance to the GPS which is quite adequate with its audio instructions. A cursory glance is all that is needed. This placement does not interfere with vision of small things such as children and dogs that ‘run’ onto the road should lower parts of the windscreen be obstructed. Neither does it interfere with the ‘through vision’ or ‘light interference’ of the driver of the vehicle following behind. In addition, ‘fraction of a second’ actions are more readily visible on either the left or right hand side with peripheral vision when the head/eyes are focussed centrally.
On a different tangent, people suffering from diseases of early dementia and alzheimers are now able to leave their homes when all that is required to find their way home is to press the ‘home’ button. Many formerly lived in fear of getting totally lost when they ventured away from their home and can now visit shops themselves, with confidence, thanks to the technology that is GPS. They are also buoyed with sufficient confidence to consider joining social groups. This is wonderful for these people
July 20th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Any accessory is a distraction when moving at speed if you have to look at it to access it. All control knobs and switches (radio, GPS, air condition or whatever) that cannot be located on a steering wheel and EASILY used without looking at them should be out of the reach of the driver. A driver, if alone, should have to stop the vehicle to make changes to such accessories or make them before they start as they should do with their check of mirrors. Yes, that would be inconvenient but do we put convenience before a person’s life.
Let’s restrict the access to the pasenger’s side. Drivers only have to take their eyes off the job for a split second for something to happen especially if driving on an express way or when children are around. Pleasant voice instructions from a GPS with up to date area details should be more that sufficent for a driver.
Surely, in the interest of safety, it is time to force drivers to keep their eyes on their main task. While many drivers may claim they are not distracted by vehicle accessories we will never know whether such devices played any part in unexplained accidents where the drive has died. How many drivers who have surveyed an accident have claimed they were “just changing the station” or something. Would “workcover” allow similar distracting devices in critical work areas?
July 22nd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
had a mate who was fined for not having his gps (mobile phone based) in a proper mount. Police said he was operating a mobile although was in gps mode. cops told him to have it properly mounted which would mean somewhere on his windscreen therefore obstructing his vision. Would be good to know what instructions/guidelines have been issued to the NSW Police with regard to GPS.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:59 am
I nearly ran into the back of a Real Estate Agent who ran up onto the median strip, then braked hard when he realised. I noticed he had 3 items windscreen mounted, his GPS, his mobile and his blackberry. Clearly he was not watching the road.
I have a GPS on my boat, but won’t use one in the car. Map reading is a brain training skill and I predict we will see the results in 20-30 years time (of course we won’t see the results, we’ll all be too dumb by then to notice).
Yes, there are advantages with reminders of school zones etc, but nothing replaces due care and attention (I worry about the human propensity to abregate their personal responsibility in favour of taking guidance from electronics technology). To the poster who said GPS stop people from looking down at maps as they drive, I say to them..pull over, then look at the map. The same goes for mobile phones.
July 26th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
NO I do not believe a GPS causes any distraction to a driver if used correctly. I program my unit before I pull out from the curb. From then on I do not look at the unit at all I just listen to its instructions. The only reason I can see for restricting is use would be another revenue raising exercise. I certainly can’t say it it distracts my visablity af the road.
Regards Alan.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Some GPS manufacturers recommend attaching your GPS on the side of the windscreen but this can be very dangerous in a car fitted with side airbags. If the airbags deploy in an accident the GPS can be flung into the driver or passenger.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:49 am
I attach my GPS to the driver’s side window in a position so not to obscure the rear vision mirrors and aside from no being able to freely wind down the window.. this works for me.
I think it is safer to use a GPS than read a street directory while driving. A GPS can give voice directions thereby doing away with the need to be watching the screen.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
No problem. My gps does not block view, mine or anyone elses. It can sit down on the console too but if I’m driving alone it makes driving so much easier, a quick glance, esp at traffic lights and I’m fine. The night lighting is great too. Gps is best invention since car radio.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
I use my GPS when travelling as it reminds me of speed Zone changes (and we all know how the RTA love multiple speed changes in some areas), Cameras, and school zones. It is a safe reminder to unfamiliar conditions as I travel.
It does not distract me and helps to select the correct lane changes instead of an instant push to make a turn.
I feel more relaxed as both my wife and I will not get lost and have to argue over the map.
Fantastic invention, the only reason the authorities dislike them is because of the lowering in revenue from fixed cameras…
GPS devices fannnnnnnnnntastic…….
August 6th, 2009 at 11:13 am
I do not have a GPS, nor will I until (or unless) the production of paper-based, accurate road and street maps ceases – which may well happen within my remaining lifetime! Jet fighter aircraft use Head Up Displays (HUD) for pilots – projecting the essential information (speed, height, direction, fuel &c) in front of the cockpit windshield – the pilot does not have to keep looking down at the instruments, because he has not got time! With the density of city traffic and the speed of intercity arterial traffic, the fewer “distractions” a driver has, the better and safer it is. So, if a GPS function is required for navigation, then some sort of HUD system is needed. Not only would it be bigger in size than the small GPS screen, but the driver would not need to take his/her eyes off the road to read it! The technology exists and works – let’s use it!
August 6th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
as an ex taxi operator i only wish gps was available during my time.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Paul Bowler August 6th…. You dont need HUD. You just listen to the lovely lady (or man) telling you when to turn. No need to look at it once it’s set up. Just make sure you buy a GPS with voice instructions. Wouldn’t be without mine.
August 13th, 2009 at 3:38 am
There are times when it’s very helpful to glance at the picture on the screen to clarify what the voice directions are telling you to do. Not all the time, but sometimes….
August 14th, 2009 at 8:57 am
I am concerned that there is mention to affix a permanent tracking system to all vehicle so the tax department can charge for road use! i for one dont trust any such system as it can be used for other means! (government bodies are not all good) why should freedoms be lost.I know if need be we can be tracked by the existing units yet they are not fixed to the vehicle.
Bill
August 14th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Like everything there is a time and place for GPS units and the like.
People are using them too much and when not needed, if you are a courier and travel different routes quite often I can see the need, most people leave the unit on and in the way when driving to and from work, the same route you have been travelling for years, it appears these are the new craze like mobile phone eg…look at me I have a GPS.
Things to remember, turn them off at night (at least the screen) as your night vision is severely degraded. I drive the freeways frequently and quite a lot of cars have thier high beams on and the cabin lit up like a christmas tree from there GPS and TVs unable to see out.
Many of the above comments advise GPS units are no more obtrusive than anything else? Why stick in on the windscreen if you are only listening to it? anything on the windscreen will reduce your vision and it’s not about what you can see but more over what you can’t see eg. the lines on the road that everyone seems so fond of driving over and that car that just swerved to avoid you.
The majority of people who read this will think, nope, that’s not me well just think about it next time you have to look at your gear shift to see what gear you’re putting it in and realise you have a GPS but still don’t know why there is 1,2,3 and “D” in your car, you only need “D”, “R” and “P” right?
Simple rule – If it demands any of your attention whilst driving or ristricts your vision – get rid of it or move it, plan ahead…not on the go.
August 14th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
GPS receivers are exactly what the name says: receivers. They don’t transmit anything for ‘big brother’ to intercept and there is no way of tracking them. They simply receive satellite signals, work out where they are on the map and process that information.
August 20th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Whilst they can help you, you should still be researching where you want to go before you start driving. The worst thing in the world is some clown watching their GPS and then cutting off three lanes of traffic to make a turn. Wake up to yourselves and have some courtesy for other road users. You don’t own the roads, nor pay enough for them with your measley pay packet.
August 26th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
I have used a GPS for 8 years here and overseas. When combined with sophisticated traffic management systems, GPS can make driving much safer and faster.
There is no need to modify the existing rule to give GPS special treatment. Rule 297 is broad enough to cover the placement of GPS or mobile phone holders in silly positions and could equally apply if someone was driving without cleaning their windscreen of frost.
Rule 299 forbids any part of the image from a TV receiver from being visible by the driver, but allows much more interactive systems.
‘A driver must not drive a motor vehicle that has a television receiver or visual display unit in or on the vehicle operating while the vehicle is moving, or is stationary but not parked, if any part of the image on the screen:
(a) is visible to the driver from the normal driving position; or
(b) is likely to distract another driver.’
However, that rule does not apply to “driver’s aids”, including:
’1 Closed-circuit television security cameras.
2 Dispatch systems.
3 Navigational or intelligent highway and vehicle system equipment.
4 Rearview screens.
5 Ticket-issuing machines.
6 Vehicle monitoring devices.’
So, the only visual devices allowed are those that occassionally require close attention, whereas a TV despite being a passive, wallpaper entertainment is banned. Therefore, a taxi driver can press buttons on a dispatch system whenever it beeps at him, but I can’t have the ABC News on a TV screen in the front seat because that might distract the driver?
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:19 pm
The placement of a GPS unit is very much dependant on where it can be fitted. We have a ford wagon and with the device we have or with a Navman or TomTom it is impossible to fit it on the right side of the windscreen uless you want it at face height. So we put it in the middle or a bit more to the left of centre as low as possible so it rests in the dash itself. The simpliest solution is for the car manufacturers to build them into the dash like Subaru does in the Tribecca. The value there is that once the vehicle is in motion you cannot type in a street address, all it will allow you to do is select a favourite or recent destination. So you cannot really play with it on the move. If everyone is worried about the GPS unit then what about the display unit in Taxi’s and some police cars these days. These units are so big that they do eliminate part of the drivers view.
September 10th, 2009 at 7:52 am
G’day,
Mine is placed on the left side of my instrument cluster within the dash. It hides the bottom of the rev counter, but that’s fine.
http://twitpic.com/h4gex
Nice and easy and does hide anything from my view of the screen. I used to have it on the bottom right side of the screen but I found I could see the apex of a corner or particularly center lane separator when turning right.
September 16th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Maybe the voice of Homer Simpson from the GPS can be the guiding force for any driver who is in need of directions. No need for the driver to look at the GPS unit itself while driver. Watchathink? haha
October 15th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
I’m lucky enough to also have a GPS Nokia, and a Toyota Yaris with a cupholder next to the driver’s A pillar that holds the Nokia. I used to have a human navigator that couldn’t read maps/directories while the car was in motion. The GPS ‘person’ (a Canadian lady, at the moment) doesn’t suffer from that problem and mainly gives me clear, concise advice. And doesn’t get flustered if I ignore her advice for a time. Much more comfortable and, therefore, safer, I think.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:54 am
I find that my steeply raked windscreen, the sunlight glare on the GPS screen, and a very cramped, sloping, curved dash panel make GPS mounting a real problem and I do not have a convenient air vent to clip it in.
If I attach it near the rear view it does block the view a little and cables hang vertically.
It is a problem I have not solve.
February 18th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
No, the issue is not with the GPS unit itself. The problem is how it’s used. Just as you wouldn’t drive with a map on your lap (ummm, right?), you wouldn’t stare at the GPS screen will driving.
The issue is learning how to use the GPS effectively, not the GPS itself.
March 15th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
I would be lost without my gps. I use it both around town and also when traveling interstate. In the past i used to try and pull over to check a street directory. They are a breese to use and make your driving a load safer.
June 7th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
I put mine where the windscreen wipers don’t wipe if that makes sense….